Collins didn't @#$%&! up, he did exactly what he wanted to do and that was to get Carlton to the docklands. He saw his opportunity and grabbed it with both hands by sucking in the majority of members (many post here and still haven't said sorry). He actually did a great job as CEO of Colonial/Telstra/Etihad stadium.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Yep, we got pig rooted there alright.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

All l can say is its good to be back in the mix.

We were going to always have bad years after the 1999 GF. Parkin used all our draft picks to recruit ready made players for a premiership. By 2002, all those older players retired, leaving us with no young players coming thru the ranks. So by the time pagan got there he had no senior players and had to buy recylced players.

Cap penalty only caused us to miss out on Goddard and Wells. Two players wouldn't of got us of bottom of the ladder in those times. Would be handy now though

Thumbs up to Carlton board the last few years.

You know as well as most that we as a club had no control where we ended up. The AFL owned us.

We missed Cooney as a result of the penalties too.

I can't think of a worse situation for a coach or club president to walk into:

- Broke club.
- Massive debt.
- Terrible facilities.
- Aging & poor performing list.
- No decent draft picks for the next two years.
- No talented youth (except Hoops at the time).
- New board deciding the coach is being paid too much before he coaches a single game.
- Players having to take paycuts to get back under the salary cap.
- No chance of attracting talented players from other clubs.
- Unreasonable expectations from supporters.
- Board in survival mode.
- Hostile AFL.
- Hostile media.

At least that's how I remember it.

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!@#$ off Essendon**** Just !@#$ right off. SCUM.

now that is bizarre... What have they got to be sorry about, their opinions? or did they somehow orchestrate the whole thing?

I think anyone who supported Elliot should apologise

I think anyone who supported Rice should apologise

I think anyone who hasn't hurled a can at Demitripoo should apologise

I think anyone who has apologised should apologise

and my apologisies for not apologising on behalf of others who have not apologised on behalf of the apologists apologising for those who should apologise about things they had no control over

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Pretty much summed it up.

The board will and forever cop criticism, but to come back and be where we are now with 40,000 members and a legitamate chance of going deep into the finals, l think is a great achievement we should be proud of.
Now the club has new training facilities, 270 odd pokies licenses, a team ready to go deep into the finals, more money spent on the footy department. 40,000 members. Club has come out stronger than expected.

I think if we didn't have those dark ages, then we wouldnt of been forced to change our ways.

The very sight of the man brings back many dark and ugly memories.
Its all coming back to me...
- Weekly beltings
- Fev's embaressing antics
- A well past his use by date Mick Marttyn at Full Back
- Big Lance and his weight issues
- the utter embaressment of Joffa waving a massive wooden spoon at us
- Being constantly laughed at and humiliated by St Kilda (of all teams) supporters
- DeLuca, McLaren and French in the Ruck
- Being so low on talent, that we were championing the luring of Cain Ackland from St Kilda as a 'masterstroke'.
- The decision to extend Pagan's contract on the back of nothing more then a Wizrd Cup triumph
- The embaressing failed sacking of Pagan
- crumbling facilities,
- Having Nathan Brown laugh when asked if he'd consider joining Carlton, and Jason Akermanis say publically that he'd go 'to any club except Carlton'
- Board members sniping each other via the media,
- Smorgon going on The Footy Show and begging supporters to buy memberships, saying we were near insolvency.
- comparisons to a dieing Fitzroy.

And thats just hte tip of the Iceberg!!!

Hearing some of the stuff he had to say makes you realise from just how far behind the rest of the competition we had to come to once again become competitive both on and off the field...

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

I didn't say that, I've been verballed or postalled or somethinalled.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

In some respects, the dark years drove the development of the Blueseum, as we sought to highlight some of the positives from the past.

one of the saddest pages we have is this one:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... 02+to+2007

In this we cover the games played between 2002 and 2007; it shows that we had a 10 goal plus loss for every win or draw over these years. 30 wins and draws over 6 years, and a few of those in 2004, demonstrates just how poor Carlton was.

From the Blueseum

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Check out www.blueseum.org for all of your Carlton information needs.

This must be hard for some posters. A bit like that old joke of seeing your mother-in-law going over the cliff in your new Ferrari.

Had we not had Pagan, then maybe we would've gotten rid of Fev earlier.




But now starting all that we could say:

1. We would've gotten rid of Fev earlier;
2. We might've had a different pick in 2003 and taken Brock McLean;
3. We might've swapped Brock to Melbourne in 2009 for their pick 11;
4. We might've picked Tambling instead of Richmond picking him....... etc, etc

Oh, and if my auntie had balls, she'd be my uncle.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!!!

After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F .........
Visit http://fromthemoshpit.com/

Apology accepted.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I'll never forget (or forgive) the recruitment of that gorilla from North Melbourne. At the time I thought "things just can't get any worse than is". May those days never return.

Just in case you do forget.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I used to joke with this lady Carlton supporter at work, and think of the oldest crustiest players Carlton could recruit. Well Martyn came up prominantly. Harford was another. You guessed it we recruited both.

We could not stop laughing at the irony.

I'd like firstly to give a kick up the clacker with my pointy stilleto's to chubbyruss for starting this thread, returning me to a nightmare world. :bigfatrazzberry:



And secondly, for moi, having Mick McGuane in our club was far worse than MM IMHO.

10+goal floggings every second week
That and hearing those st kilda cauliflower (Gehrig, hammil etc) at a footy clinic on draft day laughing at who we picked while they were given Goddard

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2007 was a horror. Our lowest score conceded was 98 points in round 1 against Richmond.

Average score against: 132 points

Aint that the effin' truth!!

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.