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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:13 pm 
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Why is this even being considered when we have small and medium defensive options in the reserves? Just drop Watson. It's not a bad thing for a first year player.

As for the Carrazzo talk, Ratts made him put in for two VFL games before returning from injury in 2009. Myth busted.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:13 pm 
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I thought Gibbs was Ok Friday. Dropping Gibbs would be a joke.

The thing about Carazzo is Ratten knows Carazzo would bleed for the team. Its very hard for a coach to drop those sort of players.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:16 pm 
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I'm telling you now, there is NO CHANCE of Carrazzo being dropped. Ratten loves him too much.


Spot on 100%.

Carrazzo has never been dropped in the time Ratten has been coach, despite some poor performances, by our "Suppossed" leadership group player.

Even when he collects 30+ touches, most of the time 50% go to the opposition.

By continuosly selecting players of this ilk, we will always be a mediocre team at best, and just making up the numbers in finals.
The Home and Away season itself these days, require highly skilled players, in order to beat Zones. In Finals the reqirement of High skilled players goes up a notch, as the intensity rises as well as the skills (due to the best Teams only competing). For Carlton to go to the next level and make the Top 4, we need to weed out players of Carrazzo's poor skill level.

Considering that Carrazzo has been playing AFL since 2004, under 2 different Senior coaches and numourous Assistant Coaches, and still turns the ball over suggests that the saying's; "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" and You can't change a leopards strips", are spot on the money. This is proven to be the case with Carrazzo, therefore he is a liability, rather than an asset to the team.

Answer this question?

Will Carrazzo be in the leadership group at any of the Top 4 sides?

My answer is; "He'll be lucky to get a senior game, let alone be in the leadership group".

Therefore I believe Carrazzo is only guaranteed a game every week because Ratten loves him.


Give Carrotts his due, his training and work ethic in preparation has obviously been first class and made a huge impression on others which has seen him elevated to leadership roles. If you think of the unprofessionalism surrounding him since his arrival it's little wonder he's currently seen in a positive light by the coaches.

In saying that, I can't find room in the 22 for him.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:22 pm 
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Surely Watson to Hurley/Bellchambers depending on the ruck situation. Watson on Ryder is a no contest if he's afforded some space on the counter.

Still too tall though. You can't play Laidler, Watson, Bower & Jamison. Ratten hasn't taken 4 tall defenders in for a long time. Watson would be coming out.


I expect Hille to be back next week. Don't mind Watson on Hille, Ryder would tear him up. Yeah, you've convinced me, he's not quick enough to go with Hurley or Crameri either, no obvious match up.

Which only irks me further, as it would now make even more sense to keep Thornton in, ahead of Walker, in case a tall goes down.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:26 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Big day for Henderson, Bower and Lucas today.

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Goal Kickers: L. Henderson 2, S. White , M. Austin
Best Players: D. Ellard, A. Joseph, B. McLean, K. Lucas

Anyone have a more detailed description of how the three boys mentioned by Rafa went yesterday?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:30 pm 
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I get the feeling that a lot of people who are critics of Gibbs' ability and potential are the same ones who criticize Michael Clarke for reasons completely irrelevant to his cricket. He goes about his football in a way that is considered un-Australian, and unless every one of his possessions were contested possessions earnt in a tunnel dug by ANZACs toward Tobruk, and did it whilst sculling a slab of Carlton Draught, so that internet fanboys can bring the "manlove" about because thats what the Sunday Footy Show guys do, he's clearly shit. :roll:

I can see merit in trading him if and only someone pays over and above what our wildest expectations are. I think, that perhaps with GC starting to see their prized youngsters getting smashed, the AFL may pressure GWS to use their concession picks to trade for senior players for a bit of immediate success, whilst GC prepare for perhaps a longer term goal. As such, Gibbs fits this criteria.

If it doesn't happen, so be it, he's still going to play another 10 years worth of solid football here. Even if Gibbs improves to a ridiculous level in the next 2 seasons, beyond our wildest expectations, I still don't think it would be the difference between winning and losing a flag, given the way our list is set up.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:34 pm 
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If the MC don't have a different plan for our back half, we'll struggle.

They've either gotta send some bigger , older bodies down to help out Watson and Laidler (both are undersized of KPP's)or play a loose man.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:41 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
...As for the Carrazzo talk, Ratts made him put in for two VFL games before returning from injury in 2009. Myth busted.


Which myth is this Jimmae. Has he been dropped by Ratts or hasn't he?
If Carrazzo hasn't been dropped by Ratts, then their argument is based on fact.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:51 pm 
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Conundrum wrote:
jimmae wrote:
...As for the Carrazzo talk, Ratts made him put in for two VFL games before returning from injury in 2009. Myth busted.


Which myth is this Jimmae. Has he been dropped by Ratts or hasn't he?
If Carrazzo hasn't been dropped by Ratts, then their argument is based on fact.

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He was back from an injury for 3 weeks before he got into the team. That puts him behind a good 8 or so players in our 22, who would be brought straight into the team.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:44 pm 
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Out: Duigan
In: Bower.

That'd be the only change I'd make.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:00 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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jimmae wrote:
...As for the Carrazzo talk, Ratts made him put in for two VFL games before returning from injury in 2009. Myth busted.


Which myth is this Jimmae. Has he been dropped by Ratts or hasn't he?
If Carrazzo hasn't been dropped by Ratts, then their argument is based on fact.

Conundrum

He was back from an injury for 3 weeks before he got into the team. That puts him behind a good 8 or so players in our 22, who would be brought straight into the team.



Not the same as geting dropped after a string of poor performances. Somewhat a protected species at the club. In my opinion he is getting played based on seniority and leadership rather than based on merit. Good luck to him.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:11 pm 
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Has he ever had a string of poor performances though?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:14 pm 
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He was close coming into the second Essendon* game last year, and he fired big time. He knew it too given the way he celebrated. :lol:

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verbs wrote:
Has he ever had a string of poor performances though?


I guess it depends on whether you own a pair or rose coloured glasses.


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Conundrum wrote:
verbs wrote:
Has he ever had a string of poor performances though?


I guess it depends on whether you own a pair or rose coloured glasses.


I have a pair of puce coloured glasses. Does that count?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:35 pm 
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Watching the Bummers tall forwards against the Saints, I think we may have to roll the dice with Bower.
Hurley, Ryder, maybe Hille can cause huge problems for us.
Its OK to go Watson against Cloke/Dawes. It was a game we were not likely to win.
We need a win badly next Saturday.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:53 pm 
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Surely Bower must come in to help combat their tall fwds, and Hendo in for Hammer who will be a liability against the running Bombers.

Armfield or Lucas maybe in also for run, and Ellard deserves to be in this team.

I'd be dropping Collins, hard call I know but horses for courses and we need speed against Bombers.

OUT Thornton IN Henderson
OUT Watson IN Bower
OUT Collins IN Ellard

Agreed I like Watson but this is a must win and Bower is more likely to do the job defensively while also providing much needed run against the press. That is his forte.

Personally I reckon Carrazzo is on borrowed time. Great servent he has been but with the likes of Lucas and Armfield and Ellard in the VFL there's serious competition now

Would like to get Armfield in there too to run with their runners. But can't find anyone else to drop and you don't want to make too many changes anyhow.

Yazz down back will be very important, and time for Betts to pull his finger out.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:07 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Why is this even being considered when we have small and medium defensive options in the reserves? Just drop Watson. It's not a bad thing for a first year player.

As for the Carrazzo talk, Ratts made him put in for two VFL games before returning from injury in 2009. Myth busted.



Coming back from injury through the V.F.L, is not Being Dropped from the team due to poor form.

As I said, Ratten has never dropped Carrazzo since he has been senior coach. That is FACT not a Myth.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:09 pm 
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He was close coming into the second Essendon* game last year, and he fired big time. He knew it too given the way he celebrated. :lol:


I was thinking that earlier myself. I think he will lift next week. I am sure the importance of this game will not be lost on him.

Armfield must come in next week but if we drop Hammer who backs up Warnock? I am pretty sure Hille will come back in for them next week.


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