Pros
We didnt get smashed.
Scotland-what a good player he has been
Matched it with them for the majority of the game.
Yarran
Warnock
Garlett-what a great story


Cons
Walker has to stop trying to take mark of the year.
Some terrible umpiring decisions.
Carrazzo's turnovers.
Betts
Waite's stupidity-he almost got reported again but luckily backed off at the last minute.
Hate losing to those arrogant pigs.

Itrs got nothing to do with Jarrad doing any running.
It's about playing your role to benefit the team. There were occasions last night where 2 of our forwards would pressure and corral a Collingwood defender and Waite would lumber in late and try to knock him over instead of doing the team thing and manning up a loose player on the periphery. It's similar to how Fev played the game. Overcommit at the contest or lose your feet because you're too lazy or undisciplined to do the hard work.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I look at the -ves bec this highlights areas we must improve

Hampson - a liability for much of the night. Doesn't take enough marks from the number of opportunities he gets, ball just goes through his hands, and he is a poor shot at goal, misses easy shots all the time. Against top teams he is a liability bec he doesn't mark the ball then at ground level he is incapable of applying pressure and the ball gets whisked away easily by the other team

Carrazzo - 8 critical errors, how bad was that kick turnover?? Against top sides these errors stick out big time. Surely Ellard is a better bet?

Collins - his first 3 or 4 touches were poor and poor shot at goal

Betts - 8 touches last night and 8 last week against GOLD COAST says it all !

Ratten - I'm not sure playing Gibbs in a defensive role is a great move. It away one of our most damaging assets. The modern game is less about tagging and more about pressure all around the ground. Using Gibbs the way he did last night is robbing peter to pay paul, as Darcy I think it was said. Just takes away so much of our damaging drive.

Fair enough, I didn't have a good view on the forward pressure for quarters 1 & 3. He's not alone though, unfortunately.

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Pro:

A home crowd of 88 000 meant that the Victorian constabulary had a quiet evening between 5 and 10pm.

Con:

A win over Carlton meant that the cops' night got a lot harder after 10 when there was a mass concentration of Collingwood supporters being generally antisocial and 'celebrating' their win.

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Interesting stuff to be read and digested in the aftermath.

Bottom line: a couple of things didn't go our way. A couple were of our own doing which we were penalised for in transition and on the rebound, a couple were not.

The end margin was 28 points (the culmination of a bad 15 minutes in which a few of those things just didn't turn out well for us).

We pressured and harried them well, forced them into mistakes, created some 1-on-1's with their defenders, and showed that they're not immortal, just the men who fell to Earth.

I also thought Waite was one of our better players, his leading, contested marking and general workrate was pretty good, imo.

To win it we have to play Collingwood 3 times. We only need to win 1 of those. We can do it.

Our rucks were/are superior, and the KPI's were fairly even. We get our full composite in, we polish up a little bit, we refine and reload... we can beat these guys.

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Carlton 2012: Lets remind them why they once feared the Dark.

SPOT ON!!!!
My only disagreement is I think that Thormton has it all over Carazzo for value in the side. Otherwise your comments about Gibbs Betts, Hampson and Walker are right on the money.
I said earlier in the season that Gibbs is overrated and Hampson is not AFL standard. Nothing has changed in my opinion

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Pro's
Pies were a little worried in the third. Judd missed a shot, Gibbs tackled over shoulder no free and Betts dropped a sitter mark. Any of these made into a goal and some belief would have run through the team. But not to be. I think it was a reasonable effort on the whole.

Pies have there best side in. We have a few to come.

Some bloke in the crowd with banner "Nice flag we have 16" funny stuff


Con's
Pies have the best record of locking the ball in their F50. We continued to kick it all the way back to the goal line and from there struggled to get it out. What the .....

Betts
Walker

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Con: The free kick Thomas got in the first for ducking his head and charging into the carlton player (I can't remember who it was, but they tried to move out of the way).

Seriously, I'm all for protecting the head, but that was embarrassing.

Reckon Thornton offers more in Walker's current role?

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

If I can extend this a bit further Svb :

1aa) They mark it and goal.
1a) They mark it and fluff their shot for goal.

I agree with what you say about "too many 3's", but even when he's taking grabs, his goal kicking is not reliable.
He appears to have the necessary physical attributes to make it, but I reckon he's going to need to show a bit
more if he's going have a future at the CFC, (and soon).

IMO O'Halpin is in a similar position in terms of on-field performance, but has less years up his sleeve.

Henderson may be better - jury's still out on him for me. He's younger and IMO has shown more.

Cons : How popular players seem to become here when they're out of the team.

Except Brock

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or Austin

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Cheats never prosper (except in the AFL)

The curse of the Hotcox....

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Pros:
Managed to really compete strongly. Never like to lose, but against a really good size it was a respectable margin, and could have easily been much closer.
Most of Collingwood's goals were scrounged. On another day a lot of those might have missed.
Tactically, for the first time in years, I feel we're competing tactically. This season it doesn't feel like we're handicapped 4-5 goals by poor structures, etc. Even at VFL level it's pretty obvious that there's a far higher degree of organisation, and it looks like they're trying to play smart footy. And it's pretty attractive and effective when it works.
Garlett, Judd, Curnow, Scotland.
Great to have Jamo back in the team.
It was good to Simmo get back into a bit of form.
Warnock thrashed a very good ruckman.
I thought Gibbs controlled Pendlebury in the first half. But we probably don't want to sacrifice our weapons to shut down opposition weapons.
I haven't yet read what others thought of Watson's game. But I really like what the MC are doing, in preparing for the future. And Watson is clearly our future. Same with Yarran.

Cons:
The Collingwood crowd. More supporters and more noise all help apply pressure to umpires in those 50-50 situations.
Some of the umpiring decisions deep in attack/defense had a significant impact. The only players who seemed to win free kicks for us were our ruckmen.
Our forwards/defenders seemed to always be behind.
Again we gave up a couple of cheap goals through having too many defenders in the marking contest. Happened in the pre-season game also. I think that's what really good key position forwards do to you. Just imagine how Betts would go playing for the Pies. Hopefully as our key position stocks improve we'll see less of this.
Betts, Carrazzo, Walker. We had a few who were down.

Gibbs was on Thomas, stefchook. Curnow had Pendlebury for the most part.

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In the second half. I'm pretty sure he was on Pendlebury in the first.

Also thought Robbo was very, very good.

Gibbs had Pendlebury for a significant part of the game

We covered this; I'm obviously foggy on the first half match-ups.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.