R3: Carlton v Collingwood (Pre Match discussion) Teams pg 11

bondiblue · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:41 pm

SydMatt wrote:

While I do not agree with the dropping of Army, isn't it great to finally have some depth.

We will tear these blokes another one. As Arnie and Matthews said you can kill it if it bleeds.

Go Blues.

That's the spirit. :thumbsup:

I'm unhappy about Army missing too, just as I am unhappy at having Kreuzer, Bower and Houlihan unavailable for this big game.

It's a BIG game. The biggest for me anyway. Carlton vs Colingwood.

Expecting it to be close, and still have a feeling we'll win this.

BigKev · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:51 pm

4thchicken wrote:

for those criticising the dropping of armfield - it could quite easily be a match fitness issue as he didnt get much game time at all last week. Rotating the sub each week through the ants would ensure that the 22nd-25th players are always fresh and in good match condition

Good point.
I like the idea of not making the same bloke sub for consecutive weeks.

CK95 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:11 pm

JohnM wrote:

What if he plays as the sub, comes off the bench to turn the match, and the papers go with the inevitable

COLLINS: CLASS SUB headline?

Then you'll be screwed.

What if he kicks the winning goal with a torpedo....

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:15 pm

CK95 wrote:

JohnM wrote:

What if he plays as the sub, comes off the bench to turn the match, and the papers go with the inevitable

COLLINS: CLASS SUB headline?

Then you'll be screwed.

What if he kicks the winning goal with a torpedo....

Then it'll be "up periscope" all round... :wink:

Spirit of Carlton · **Joined:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:13 pm **Posts:** 487

CK95 wrote:

JohnM wrote:

What if he plays as the sub, comes off the bench to turn the match, and the papers go with the inevitable

COLLINS: CLASS SUB headline?

Then you'll be screwed.

What if he kicks the winning goal with a torpedo....

... and the ball lands in amongst some seamen.

jimmae · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:18 pm

meht wrote:

Sugarcane wrote:

Geez you bring the kid in I reckon he plays almost a full game

Don't be surprised if Thornton is the Sub - we will need all the run we have early against this mob, and Thornton maybe is a Sub who can come on if Hammer fails up fwd or if Watto fails down back, and he has a decent tank so could even run in midfield if need be as a Midfield Sub

Well the sub has to come from the bench, doesn't it?
Bench that I saw had Curnow, Robinson, Collins, Carrazzo
Curnow and Robinson will surely start for their intensity around the stoppages.
Carrazzo has a role to play tagging that will work or it won't but must be tried to begin with
That only leaves the versatile Collins.

If it's not Collins then I guess we'd go with Robbo?

I thought this too, but it's been proven that the sub doesn't have to come from the bench.

BigKev wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Well Dave was spot on about the Collingwood changes. I don't understand how Duigan & Carrazzo remain in the team ahead of Armfield, unless Denis is failing to play to instruction. His kicking has gone up about three notches and he's a much more complete player.

He will tear the VFL a new one this week.

+1 for this.

I don't get it.
I hope they don't disillusion this lad like I believe they did with Grigg. (looking from the outside in anyway).

No chance; Grigg deserved to be in the VFL because his kicking is/was rubbish.

4thchicken wrote:

for those criticising the dropping of armfield - it could quite easily be a match fitness issue as he didnt get much game time at all last week. Rotating the sub each week through the ants would ensure that the 22nd-25th players are always fresh and in good match condition

If he'd been the sub for 2 or 3 weeks, or subbed out or playing as the sub in every game for that same sort of period I'd agree with you, but missing nothing except 3 quarters in a full 7 days preparation wouldn't have him hampered in terms of playing senior football. Armfield is match fit and could play all four quarters. One of the fitter blokes at the club so unless he needs the extra day or two to run out an injury that we're not aware of, it makes no sense (save for not playing to instruction).

missnaut · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:25 pm

Lucas was named in starting 18 and was sub in Rd 1 so no it doesn't come from the bench.

Interesting both subs so far this year have been dropped in the next round.

A little surprised too about Army not being named but perhaps he is a bit sore or unwell and MC are being cautious. They have shown so far this year they are willing to play it safe a little more with Henderson still out of the seniors and Bower not coming straight back in.

Blue Monday · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:45 pm **Posts:** 273

Re Armfield, notice he is in as an emergency, so some game playing by the match committee perhaps ?

Maybe Armfield finds his place back in as a replacement for one of the named players who hasn't come up to match fitness by tommorrow night..

Just a guess...

blue4 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:04 pm **Posts:** 976

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Collins' class

The submarine

Then we can expect a torpedo from 50.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Changes are good for me. I'm thinking Simmo could be a late withdrawal, down and form due to a back injury by the sounds of it.

We can win this, intensity and decision making key.

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

meht wrote:

So who's the sub going to be then?

Have a feeling it will be Collins who they'll look to swap with Carrazzo if his tagging role on one of Swan/Pendles isn't working out

The sub is the poisoned chalice, the way it's looking the MC are using it as the last chance saloon

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18030

Good changes. Collins offers class, versatility and smarts around the forward line. Something we're lacking in. Army is a good foot soldier but his role is being covered adequately by others at the moment. Great to see Jamo back.
If we can kick straight and capitalise on our chances, we're a big show.
If we kick poorly for goal, it's all over Irene.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:19 pm

Army is adjusting to a new role this season and it might be a case of sending him back to make some adjustments. Wouldn't be surprised to see him come in as a late replacement though.

jezzarules · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:09 pm **Posts:** 5974

missnaut wrote:

Interesting both subs so far this year have been dropped in the next round.

Ratts reading too much into the match stats?

camel · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:37 pm

Ray wrote:

Carlton:
B: Jeremy Laidler, Michael Jamison, Matthew Watson
HB: Nick Duigan, Bret Thornton, Jordan Russell
C: Kade Simpson, Bryce Gibbs, Heath Scotland
HF: Marc Murphy, Jarrad Waite, Christopher Yarran
F: Eddie Betts, Shaun Hampson, Jeffrey Garlett
Foll: Robert Warnock, Andrew Walker, Chris Judd
I/C: Andrew Carrazzo, Mitch Robinson, Andrew Collins, Edward Curnow
Emg: Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Simon White
In: Michael Jamison, Andrew Collins
Out: Dennis Armfield, Simon White
New: Andrew Collins (Richmond)

Good ins, but sorry to see Army out.

Sam Sunshine · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:59 am **Posts:** 202

These 2 teams are pretty even in talent and Carlton are less than full strength - Collingwood are short maybe one player from their ideal on field setup (Brown who is out for all 2011 with a knee re construction).

In the Collingwood forward line there will be 2 talls and 2 mediums and 2 smalls = 6. brown may pich hit but this makes in less able to hold he ball in due to the lack of running players so 3 talls is 1 too many.

Carlton will have as defenders 2 talls (Jamieson and Watson), 2 mediums Russell and Laidler and 2 smalls / one medium as is needed.

The key to this game as to most games is control of the mid-field.

The ruck combination of Warnock and Hampson are taller. There is at least a similar skill set on players who run through the mid field.

It comes down to execution and the pressure that an be applied when you do and do not have the ball.

Part of the execution is straight kicking into goal.

New coaches who know the players will provide detailed knowledge of how they can put their new team in a position of advantage, however, coaches do not kick the goals.

This is a game to look forward to watch. Lets hope for the best result and learn from it whatever happens. Its a long season of 22 H + A rounds. Then there are finals. While winning Round 3 would be a great result, we know that the best outcome is to beat Collingwood in the Grand Final.

Asp · **Joined:** Wed May 10, 2006 10:26 am **Posts:** 939

Collins was Richmond's second highest goal scorer last year. I like Armfield, but Collins will contribute more to our scoring chances & that may be the reason for the change. Glad that we have stuck with Waton. Got monstered by a much taller player a couple of times last week, but for a first gamer he did OK and his long kicking is a distinct asset.

MIL · **Joined:** Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:43 pm **Posts:** 4745

Sugarcane wrote:

Best team CFC have fielded, on paper at least for 10 years, anyone??

Its a very good looking team, with probably only Hendo for T-Bird, and Bower for the (very promising) kid Watson, the improvements. Great to be able to have depth like Kreuzer, Ellard, Davies, White, O'Hailpin, McLean (?), Hoops to also add to the mix.

Everyone bangs on about the Filth's depth, but we have quietly gone about developing some very serious depth ourselves. Big top 4 chance this year, and we will give a very good account of ourselves tommorrow night.

Baggers by 11 points.

Humpers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:28 pm **Posts:** 4943

Happy enough with the changes however I would have liked to see Hendo included and Duigan is lucky to keep his spot IMO.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:07 pm

I like the way Army runs the ball out of defense (30 metres) and then passes it off 20-40 metres and we know its well and truly out of defense. I also see his value on a wing, but I am comforted with his super speed and aggression in the BP.

I'm more than happy to be getting a viewing of Collins. I have a feeling his class will stand out. Fingers crossed.
I really hope he passes Houla this year, or at least a good replacement whilst Houla's out injured.

Go Blues.

R3: Carlton v Collingwood (Pre Match discussion) Teams pg 11

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