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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:07 am 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Judd had to turn it on to drag us over the line.


This old chestnut. Isn't that what every star in every good team does. That's why they get paid the big bucks.

I would have thought 7 or 8 others had a fair last quarter as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:24 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Judd had to turn it on to drag us over the line.


This old chestnut. Isn't that what every star in every good team does. That's why they get paid the big bucks.

I would have thought 7 or 8 others had a fair last quarter as well.

Regards Cazzesman

So put that in YOUR pros... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:30 am 
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5 good reasons.

1./ We kicked some goals at the end of quarters instead of fading out.('cept3rd)

2./ Eddie's flying tackles

3/ New players with some real promise

4/ Simply fantastic mid field

5/ Russell, and Army lookin' good

Houla and Hendo to come in up front. Jammo and Pauly B. for down
back. Super K for ruck and forward as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:33 am 
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+ives . about 11 Carlton players in the top 12 for the game.

-ives, we just rushed it a bit in the first 2 quarters.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:35 am 
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Pro's

Hammer
Warnock
Curnow
Our ability to win the contested ball
The captain
People talking Richmond up. The massive inside 50 difference tells the real tale. It just makes their impending failures more enjoyable.
Good to see Eddie up and about.
Murphy. Lots of courage and hard running.
Robbo burnt the ball a lot but he shows his mates how to throw the body in.
Jeffy did some nice things.

Cons

I can live with 3 men flying for the ball but letting it then go behind the contest is inexcusable. It's happened over the past few years and we haven't learnt from it.

Broken tackles. Watch Collingwood play and see their ability to stop the oncoming player compared to ours. Frustrating and what's more, we cant take the next step without rectifying it. With the emphasis on zones and presses, once your first line of defence is opened up, your zone is easily exposed. It's not just about effort, it's about technique.
Poor conversion. Darren Harris does a heap of work with the young players on gaining momentum through the kicking action. It appears the experienced coaches haven't followed his lead or the players aren't listening.

The most frustrating aspect is all the above cons are development related. They're aspects that can be coached/taught. I can happily live with players having deficiencies that are beyond their control ie. too short to mark the ball, too slow to win a foot race etc. As long as the player gives his best, the coaches can decide whether he plays the next week. To see players make basic mistakes that are development related from one year to the next is inexcusable. The coaches have every opportunity to address these basic deficiencies and why they haven't or couldn't is bewildering at best.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:35 am 
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I forgot to mention Armfield in my positives. For a little guy he is willing to go hard and stepped up in the last quarter.

Agreed on Riewoldt and the arm waving :grin:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:39 am 
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Pro
we won

Con
Curnow's lame singing of the club song (looked like he didn't know the words, and that bothered me!!)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:46 am 
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Pros

Murphy
Judd (again)
Gibbs
Warnock
Robbo
Curnow, what a find
we won, just
Scotlands 200 game


Cons

Kicking for goal :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Yarran was terrible
Waite potential report
Not much has changed from last year


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:47 am 
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Blue Revival wrote:
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we won

Con
Curnow's lame singing of the club song (looked like he didn't know the words, and that bothered me!!)


He's ok...just copped a lot of yellow and blue powerade in his eye and was a tad distracted.Probably wondering if he'd ever see again. :grin:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:58 am 
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Interesting perspectives from a few posters.

I thought Hampson was the difference in the last quarter. His height absolutely menaced the Tigers and because he was marking the footy his threat was enormous. His improvement has already been sensational and he'll only get better. His and Warnock's ability to clunk one grab contested marks will be so vital for us this year. Sure, he kicked inaccurately, but I'm confident that just like his marking that will come in time.

I thought the first half from our boys was superb. The only reason the Tigers fightback was allowed to occur in the first place was a combination of their stellar kicking for goal and our indifferent set shot shooting. Fact is we should have been out of sight at half time. Fact was because we weren't they were afforded a platform to stage a fightback

Our movement, both with the ball and not, as well as disposal and execution in this period was very heartening. We kept the ball locked in, kept them under enormous pressure and, but for getting the final reward of 6 points, we played our opponent off the park.

I thought Robinson was tremendous, playing one of his best games for the club. Dad and I have always said its fantastic to have guts, heart and hardness, but sometimes you need more. Last night we got all of those just at the time we needed them, plus that little bit extra here and there.

To tough out the win like we did, without our first (perhaps even second) choice forward or backline was extremely pleasing. They had their tails up, were 3 goals up and we managed to win by 4 with our structure blown to pieces. When we have another crack at them later in the year, supposing our team is at full or near full strength, we will absolutely massacre them.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:02 am 
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Pros
New midfield system seemed to work in first half
Better effective zone defence in first half
Walker stepping up in last qtr effort and presenting
Garletts class in front of goals when everyone else was missing
Curnow, laider and duigan debuts

Cons
Ran out legs in second half, zone defense dropped off and exposed our weak kpd
Defending kick outs, need to react to opposition better. Obvious on a number of occasions that Richmond would go long and we allowed them to out number us
Defence half look like a group who have not played together, often waiting for each or all jumping for the same ball. Desperately need bower, jamo back to balance
50 entries were poor too often and we did not adjust to waites absence very well

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:10 am 
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I thought Armfield's goal in the last when the Richmond player was riding his back was sensational.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:28 am 
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re: Hammer as a con

Hammer's first miss was a gimme - i dont doubt his second one from deep inside the pocket. if hendo had missed that pocket one then we wouldnt have worried. People would just accept it.

I thought a couple of hammer's missed marks were actually from spoils and not from hard hands, which is a great sign.

2.1 and say 6-7 marks and he's done a great job. 1.2 and 3 missed marks and people have a go at him.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:49 am 
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if hendo had missed that pocket one then we wouldnt have worried. People would just accept it.

It's a slightly tough shot for the right footer in the right pocket, but he wasn't hard up against the boundary. Probably should have slotted it, especially given that he (and Henderson) is such a straight kick.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:58 am 
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Henderson might have got it jimmae, but the point is your probability of kicking those is far lower than the ones in front. If Henderson was in that spot and missed we wouldnt have been too worried IMHO let alone Hampson missing.

Hammer missed an easy one and a much harder one. He missed a gimme mark in the middle of the third quarter. People making him a con are focussing on those moments without reflecting upon Hampson actually having a positive impact on an AFL game.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:58 am 
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Obviously terrible kicking for goal almost cost us. Personally I wasn’t convinced with the ‘kick it long to the goal square’ approach, seemed to be geared towards kicking to Hampson and less to a leading Waite ??

Do we think we should persist with the two rucks, esp Hampson as a fwd? He certainly gets to plenty of aerial contests, but 95% of them go through his hands. And his kicking for goal is atrocious. The new Sub rule makes it hard to play two genuine rucks. But then if Hendo plays instead of Hampson, then who is the second ruck? Just goes to show how important Kruezer is. He can be the second ruck, and also a back up tall fwd if there’s an injury such as the one last night to Waite. Kreuzer’s importance to this team has doubled in my view with the introduction of the Sub rule.

Not entirely surprised Yarran had a shocker. Clubs would have seen his excellent work off HB over the summer and how much drive he gives us, and Hardwick not surprisingly planned for it. Like Shaw a couple years back, Yarran (and Ratten) will need to learn to counter the negative tactics of opposition coaches when they try to take Yazz out of the game.

What did we think of Murphy and Gibbs’ games? Hard to criticise them both given their DT scores and they were undoubtedly among our Best, but I sort of felt when the heat was on in the third neither of them really stood up and lead the way out. It was Judd again in the 4th who kicked the goal that sparked us. I don’t think Roos is technically right when he says for CFC to go fwd they need a Gibbs or Murphy to win the B&F (that implies one of them would become a better player than Judd, which is a huge ask), but I do think (and I think this is what Roos was trying to articulate) that in situations like last night, when the challenge was there, it’d be good to see a Murphy or Gibbs kick the goal that sparks us, or a Murphy or Gibbs who wins the all important clearance when the tide is against us. Gibbs got a lot of it in the last quarter, gave us a lot of drive, so that was good to see, and Murphy was the best player on the ground to half time, but I still want to see more from these two number one draft picks, in terms of becoming true leaders of the Carlton Football Club. Hopefully that will come. I’m pretty sure it will.

Down back I was not surprised we struggled to contain Jack. Surely this is Thornton’s last game for the CFC? He was shifted to Jack for 5 mins and had 2 gls promptly kicked on him, on both occasions incapable of applying any pressure on Jack. At least White tried. Just goes to show how important Jamison is to this team. Jack would have kicked only 2-4 if Jamo had played.

Thought Laidler started very poorly, lost his feet twice and in both cases goals were kicked by Richmond, but after that I thought he was very good. Took a couple nice marks and showed a briskness across HB when he intercepted and re-bounded. Less convinced by Duigan. Don’t get me wrong, he was far from disgraced. But like in the NAB Cup game I saw numerous instances where in my view he looked a bit wobbly, unsure. Ball went through his hands once or twice, on other occasions he misread the play in tight and failed to apply any pressure on his opponent. Little things like that which are crucial for a defender. Hopefully it is just nerves and after a few AFL games he will settle down.

Curnow a huge fine, a real bonus as rookie. 11 touches in tough last term were critical. Goes hard and can also run.

Bottom line is, until Hendo develops into a full fledged quality key fwd, and until the young backline beds itself down, we won’t be a top 4 side. Good sides don’t kick more points than goals in first quarters they dominate, and we do this too often still. It’s a sign of a team that has a good midfield but the fwdline still hasn’t hit a groove. And the backline is a worry. Jamo is good, as is Russell, but Yarran will need a year to learn the art of being a tagged attacking half back flanker, Watson hasn’t played a game yet, Bower seems to get injured every 5th or 6th week, and we won’t know on Laidler or Duigan long term til much later in the year. Personally I think we might need to trade something of value at the end of the year to bring into the club a topline defender. When I looked at that backline on paper last night, I wasn’t too excited, and I thought up against one of the worst teams in the AFL (Richmond) only 2 of the 6 defenders last night played well (Russell and Lailder). Duigan, White, Thornton, Yarran I thought were all poor to average. Personally I would be playing Watson every week, to get games into him. He is the future, and is physically ready-to-go, so let’s get 20 games into him now.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:03 am 
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Henderson might have got it jimmae, but the point is your probability of kicking those is far lower than the ones in front. If Henderson was in that spot and missed we wouldnt have been too worried IMHO let alone Hampson missing.

Hammer missed an easy one and a much harder one. He missed a gimme mark in the middle of the third quarter. People making him a con are focussing on those moments without reflecting upon Hampson actually having a positive impact on an AFL game.

Agree with that. Hammer & Warnock were telling at the book end quarters. Was great to see them both have a genuine influence on the contest.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:11 am 
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Pros:

Reading Hawthorn supporters complaining about us getting in first on Curnow.

Sure they'd rather Jarryd Morton running around than Curnow.

Someone's gotta replace Mitchell.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:42 am 
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To see players make basic mistakes that are development related from one year to the next is inexcusable. The coaches have every opportunity to address these basic deficiencies and why they haven't or couldn't is bewildering at best.


Spot on. When players and coaches are full time professionals then this should be better. If they can't do it, get some one who can.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:55 am 
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Sugarcane, I thought the same of Murphy and Gibbs in the 3rd quarter, I thought they really faded out of the match when the heat was on. Then I realized they were being rested, given a spell to keep the powder dry for a final quarter assault.

As it was both were quite good in the last.

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