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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:31 am 
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Thornton was a loose man in the last qtr

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:32 am 
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Alright I've calmed down now however that third quarter still stunk more than my kitchen bin did this morning.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:39 am 
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Stone Free wrote:
Went to the game last night, and whilst I am no footy guru, a did notice a few things:

They came back at us when Waite went down. I just wish maybe some of our other forwards could lead instead of sitting back and waiting behind the defender for the ball.

We got our act together in the final 1/4 when Thornton went to Reiwoldt and shut him down, so kudos to T-Bird for that, White tried, but ultimately failed to do the same thing. It was pretty obvious that Jack had White's measure, yet it took Ratts an entire freaking quarter to do something about it.

I could see Ratts tried having Warnock in the goalsquare, yet Warnock refused to stay there and kept running up the ground. There were a number of times that he should've stayed there and yet when the ball eventually got to the goalsquare, he was half way up the ground somewhere.

Our tackling is freaking abysmal, always has been, and I don't see any improvement in this area.

Our lack of a strong, tall leading forward hurts us every time. Hammer has the body for this, but he doesn't lead and needs to spend 8 hours a day for the next week taking set shots....in fact, make that the whole team needs to spend 8 hours a day taking set shots.


Not sure about the T-Bird, White observations Stonefree. As Wojee points out it was probably more about Riewoldt being starved of supply rather than anything our "tall backs did".


Riewoldt did make T-Bird look pretty silly with his fifth goal in the third and he also could have pushed back harder for Riewoldts six goal after we turned the ball over. White competing with Astbury and Russell competing with Riewoldt in the square isn't ideal.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:41 am 
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Glad to get away with the win in the end. Had we kicked straight the game would have well and truly over at half time.
Last nights game showed that we are a long way off top 4. That 3rd quarter was disgraceful and we didnt seem to have any answers.
Good comeback in the final quarter but we should never have been in that position.
Waite is stupid if he did kick or try to kick someone, i didnt see it. I hope the Richmond player gets weeks for the off the ball bump on him though.
Good signs from the new players, especially Curnow. Yarran was extremely disappointing and should have been moved earlier.
Cant wait for Jamo to come back and hopefully Bowers injury is not too serious.
Richmonds new kids look good and they have a good future, i hope Watson gets a go next week.
Glad Grigg didnt hurt us too much.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:41 am 
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I was a little disappointed watching as for a moment there we looked like we blew it - They recovered well.

To take the game in context based on last years results the gap between Richmond and Carlton is about the same as the gap between Carlton and collingwood , we went into that game virtually missing the entire spine - Jamo Bower Maclean Kruezer Hendo then we lost Waite and were missing Hoops - we got away with a win

Now wouldn't it be nice to take on collingwood in three weeks and they were missing Maxwell Obrien Ball Cloke Dawes Didak and Jolly.

I could see the sense of relief on Ratts face after the game he knew they didn't convert and scambled a win - We should ne able to get over The suns next week then hopefully we have a few of the spine back in the team

The little blokes have got to stop flying for the ball and there were a number of occassions where we had Warnock Hammer and Walker all spoiling each other -

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:41 am 
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Everytime the ball came down in the first half (not even even considering 3rd quarter) ... White seemed completely out of his depth.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:52 am 
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Have to love the way my Richmond 'supporting' mate got stuck into me early in the last quarter. Right then and there I thought, 'give it 20 minutes...'. Sure enough, minutes later, I got mine. :lol:

Liked the way our players responded, although had they kicked straight in the first quarter, it would have been over.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:54 am 
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There are some posters on this site that are in serious need of zoloft.
Bloody sad sacks.

Have a look at the team we had and the KPP players we had available.
Coupled with some woeful kicking for goal, which happens a handful of times a year and we still win by 20. (and we were always going to do enough to get the points).

Apart from the 3rd quarter, it was an absolute dominance. Probably more so than last 2 years where we have won by 9 goals +


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:54 am 
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This group of players all flying for a mark or spoil has to stop. Its frustrating enough up forward but damaging in defence.

BlueRob wrote:
Everytime the ball came down in the first half (not even even considering 3rd quarter) ... White seemed completely out of his depth.


I agree, but then he has only played something like 8 senior games though. Our backline last night would have been the most inexperienced for the season!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:59 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I was a little disappointed watching as for a moment there we looked like we blew it


You were a little disappointed.
You would have been the only Carlton supporter describing themself like that

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:03 am 
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BlueRob wrote:
Everytime the ball came down in the first half (not even even considering 3rd quarter) ... White seemed completely out of his depth.



The guy kicked 78 goals last year and is regarded by many as the premier forward in the comp

White who is a third / fourth string backman struggled but so do alot of others that play on Jack

Out of his depth - probably right but he acquitted himself a lot better than Thorton who is a 100 game plus player .

I bet thats not the biggest haul of goals Jack gets this year

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:09 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
BlueRob wrote:
Everytime the ball came down in the first half (not even even considering 3rd quarter) ... White seemed completely out of his depth.



The guy kicked 78 goals last year and is regarded by many as the premier forward in the comp

White who is a third / fourth string backman struggled but so do alot of others that play on Jack

Out of his depth - probably right but he acquitted himself a lot better than Thorton who is a 100 game plus player .

I bet thats not the biggest haul of goals Jack gets this year




Agree SB. White made a couple of blues (no pun) but over the game I thought he was OK. Riewoldt is like his cousin, he knows how to get the umpires favour. Makes playing on him very difficult. He's a smart footballer and very good bordering on great.
Thornton looked out of his depth on Jack .

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:12 am 
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We've seen Fevola make some top defenders look out of their depth, Jack is the best FF in the comp now. White can hold his head up high.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:21 am 
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SnickerS wrote:
There are some posters on this site that are in serious need of zoloft.
Bloody sad sacks.

Have a look at the team we had and the KPP players we had available. +


Agree totally. Look at Collingwood last year. If they did not have their first choice FB, CHB, CHF, and FF, available does anyone here think they would have been so good?
We didn't have Jamison, Bower, Henderson, and Waite (for over half a game). Its all about getting your best players on to the field.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:21 am 
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Wojee wrote:
Carlton's terrible disposal and kicking at goal combined with Richmond's accuracy (which they'll struggle to match again this season) has people jumping at shadows.

I'm more worried about how we were never positioned for the turnover, opened up over half the ground to Richmond to stream into for 1-on-1 contests and our inability to drive them wide with their f50 entries. They generally had a good angle/distance to convert, or no pressure to slot on the run.

Other than that, it was ok.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:41 am 
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Interesting to hear Swann say this morning that Ratten made the call on Waite, not the Doctor.
Apparently Ratts thought it was taking too long to assess Waite and called for the substitution. I'd hope he takes a deep breath and makes a better decision next time.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:52 am 
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Ratten said last night in the presser that they left it to the doc, then 15 minutes later the assessment still wasn't clear, "the call was made." I would have assumed that meant the concussion rule was enforced, but given Swann's comments who knows.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:54 am 
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That was an apalling performance. Richmond will finish bottom 3. We play like that we won't make the finals.

Put a line through Yarran, Carrazzo and Thornton
Yarran- Mentally drifts out of the game. Top flight half forwards like didak & Johnson will kill him
Carrazzo- Horrible shirk of the contest in second qtr and turns it over
Thorton- Only gets a touch when he plays the sweeper role
Coaching/Selection- You play Watson and you give him experience against top flight full forwards like Parkin did with Silvagni in 1985. You don't waste games on has beens (Thornton) and never will bees like Simon White. How much longer do you play glorified half back flankers in key positions. We had other options.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:01 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Put a line through Yarran, Carrazzo and Thornton

Disagree: Carrazzo is underdone and was probably borderline for tonight, and it showed. Thornton did plenty of good things and people are simply viewing him with blinkers. Further refine his 1-on-1 play during the week and he gets a spot over White next week.

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Yarran- Mentally drifts out of the game. Top flight half forwards like didak & Johnson will kill him

He was tagged by their White. Ratten probably should have done more about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:03 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Interesting to hear Swann say this morning that Ratten made the call on Waite, not the Doctor.
Apparently Ratts thought it was taking too long to assess Waite and called for the substitution. I'd hope he takes a deep breath and makes a better decision next time.



I have sensed over the last few months that Swann is trying to undermine the coach
Maybe he thinks he can land his big fish mate .

I didnt think Waite was playing that well - Carlton had their chances to bury them and in like most games at some time during it you get a hold of the game and if you can capitalise on it like Richmond did you give yourself a chance

Good Kicking is Good football - we were woeful last night

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