Yes, like everything its all about you!

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c'mon John, Elliott was near on 10 years ago..!!

...Id've thought Harrison or Moulton would've been in here by now to put the concerns to rest...

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Agree, we can no longer use Elliott as our scapegoat. I want to know why we aren't bringing in the corporate sector we have long been associated with. Why is our club no longer marketable?

The pokies deal is a handout and to a certain extent so is the visy deal. Remove these two from the equation and we will struggle into the future.


Conundrum

Traditionally, clubs look to their president/chairman as the key rainmaker for big corporate support.

So we look to Sticks for this.

So When are the pokies starting.? This august or last.

This coming August I think.

So they are not planning on getting any revenue to repay debt till August.? Wow no plan B.?

I reckon we'll get some sort of clarification on our financial position soon from Swann considering the the press we are getting.

Any additional revenue, at least from pokies. We should have lower costs this year in comparison to last year.

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Every AFL club depends on handouts from supporters.

Collingwood's Vice President is the son-in-law of Pratt and one of their biggest financial contributors. Eddie has a great knack of getting people to put their hands into their pockets at fundraisers at Raheen.

I'm not a bean counter, but I believe the Pies' revenue includes the turnover of their hotels which are losing money. The Pies made just $1 million from a revenue of $75 million. If they hadn't paid off $7.2 million of debt that due last year, they'd have liabilities of $25.5 million to our $10.8 million. They have cash in the bank, but it's a small furphy that they're well managed and living by their own means.

AFL Victorian clubs audit

I'd love someone to go through the annual reports of the clubs and explain it in plain English.

The Dogs are more asset rich than the rest of the Victorian based clubs.

For mine, Hawthorn are the biggest club with their cash reserves, membership and income derived from playing in Tasmania.

Geelong's revenue is high because they control Kardinia Park and make money from reserved seats like we used to control Princes Park. We're locked into Docklands with a crap deal like every club bar Essendon*. Elliott was a poor President, but Collins and the AFL should be blamed for locking a big Victorian club into a smaller stadium. I felt sick looking at that huge social club the Pies have at the MCG.

Carlton may have a bad membership and communication departments, but that's no excuse for a list such as our's to lose members like we did last year. An attitude of We're Carlton, @#$%&! the rest and our slogans can't be blamed for members not renewing. Collingwood and Essendon* supporters are just as confident or arrogant that their history of success will hold them in good stead. They don't hide from it and try to be humble.

Ratten and Kernahan bad...

Buckley and McGuire good...

Yes whenever it's bad it's Kernahan's fault. Any good financial news Swann gets credit.

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You cannot be serious including Ratten into this argument, surely.

With respect to the arrogance of Pies & Bombers supporters, you missed the point completely. Their clubs don't treat their supporters with the contempt that ours does and the blame fall squarely on the communications and membership departments, which is overseen by the board.

We need a cleanout of the board and get some fresh ideas with less legal people and more smart business people to steer the club in a new direction.

Oh dear. This "Collingwood and Essendon* are so much better than us" attitude is why, some times, it is highly embarrassing being a Carlton supporter. Too many metro soft cocks.

The way I look at Carlton and the mess they are still in is a bit like a truck delivery driver.

For years he was the best delivery driver going around whipped around in his Bedford van and made a nice tidy profit -

Then someone ( Elliott) thought if I buy a Pantech I can deliver more goods in comfort so he borrowed money to by a Pantech but wasn't delivery anymore goods

So they sacked him and Brought in Collo who said lets forget this Pantech and rent out this B double we will make lots of money doing that (only Collo was a stake holder in the B Double) The share holders thought this was great we could move a lot more in a B double- only thing wrong was if you didn't fill the B double you lost out and you were still paying for the Pantech that needed lots of repairs but never earns you anything-

So now they are hoping that a fleet of scooters (pokies) is going to earn them enough to pay back the loan on the Pantech .


should have kept the Bedford and maybe put a Turbo in it

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It was reported that we are going to have a Debt demolition campaign ala Stynes and his Demons this year

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So what in the hell was Blue Believers for then??

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This was to raise fund for the new complex, they then chose to extend it another year as a naming convention for our debt demolition campaign. I may be wrong, but pretty sure I read this somewhere over summer.

There's nothing new in this article and none of the data should surprise anyone. Carlton has a lot of debt for a football club - Fact. Carlton has chosen to try and rebuild off the field and fund its share of the new development rather than pay off debt.

This note from our Auditors has been in the accounts for most of the last decade. In parallel our revenues have picked up (not enough IMHO but perhaps the pokies will assist) and we've sought to compete for the off field performance teams. Alot of this has been done but not doubt Collingwood will continue to set the bar here and advance their Club faster than ours (they could for example employ a few minders to look after a Fevola if they ever recruited him!).

I wouldnt worry about a rollover date. Its not GFC anymore. Banks will happily rollover debt these days as the Banks are slowly becoming competitive again. besides with the AFL over the top there won't be a problem.

We've never stopped being high in debt and we've never stopped having a weak balance sheet. We have however prioritised expenditure and we are moving ahead. A debt reduction campaign is one way to do it but also if the pokies pick up it might assist. A GF performance would surely go down well too.

(As for individuals not sure what a President has to do with this)

At the recent AGM Swann stated that they expect the debt to reduce by 700k by the end of the season. We have a long way to go but at least we have pumped money into the footy department and facilities. I would be far more concerned if our footy department and facilities were run down and we had the debt, it was not too long ago that the players on our list were asked to bring there own footy to pre season training.

It blows my mind how innovative and progressive 11 board members can be...!!

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