awesome article



overlooks the fact that we got henderson from the fev trade who was from the same draft as kennedy

Apparently we have a lot of 27 yos like Judd, waite and Ohaiplin and a few over that like scotland. The lot of 27yos are thornton + carazzo and the few over that would be ummm... houlihan...

Thats 5 players over 27 and another 2 over 29, (7 total)
compare that to other flag contenders
pies - 4 players 27+ (maxwell, davis, krakour), L brown) + 4 players above 29 - jolly, tarrant, johnson, davis
freo - 2 players 28+ (mcphee, sandilaands), +4 29+ (pavlich, mcpharlin, hayden, grover)
saints - 7 players 27+ (jones, dempster, peake, reidwoldt, kozzie, fisher, montaga) + 5 29+ (gardiner, hayes, milne, baker, blake)
cats - 5 players 27+, a further 9 29+
dogs - 6 players 27+, a further 5 29+
etc

So the Hun probably couldn't find a negative story from the club, so had to manufacture one with this opinion piece from the master of list management- Terry Wallace.

I mean Terry Wallace criticising any club's recruiting strategy is a joke. Surely an article on how he set back Richmond by 5 years (and I am being generous- it was more like 10) would be more relevant.

I love this story. if Wallace is saying two years, in reality it will be 7-8. yahoo

What the hell would Terry Tan know about premiership windows?

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Really sound logic by Plough. Apparently we’ve traded away the opportunity to draft “next generation” players who can develop with Gibbs, Murphy et al, and instead got in the likes of Warnock.....at 21 yo. Moron.

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And don't forget 21 yr old Henderson is a figment of our imagenation........and in no way a replacement for Kennedy...

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Wait I'm confused. People have been saying we have one of the youngest and least experienced lists in the AFL and now all of a sudden we're too old??



McLean - OK, jury still out but he's not even 25
Warnock - win for all parties really
Judd - Kennedy hardly winning the Coleman over at West Coast

No mention of Henderson, Lucas, Yaz, Jeffy, anyone we drafted in 2010...

Idiot.

THIS

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Coaches have vested interests and love spin but I still wish he hadn't said it. Those who think 2014 will be our year then we'll keep going must think the Blues live in their own time line and that Rattan can fold space. We should peak at around 2013 and apart from that, if our 'kids' and our 'a-graders' don't meet happily at the crossroads then we only have ourselves to blame.

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"They have gone out and traded a first-round pick for Brock McLean and traded reasonable picks for Robert Warnock and they did the Judd deal, which they had to, but it cost them Josh Kennedy and a first-round pick.

"They have traded off a lot of potential next-generation great players who could have come through with (Matt) Kreuzer and (Marc) Murphy and (Bryce) Gibbs for now, and they have a lot of 27-year-olds like Judd and (Jarrad) Waite and (Setanta) O'hAilpin and a few over that like Heath Scotland.

Warnock and Murphy were in the same draft!!!!!!!!!

The fake tan is leaking into his tiny brain.

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Can I quote the wisdom of the Leather Head/Snep Bird right now?

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For those one twitter, let him know what you think -----> http://twitter.com/#!/thelistmanager

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Seriously though Paf....if they don't meet happily then It's by no means the end of the world....I know you have your ideals but there might (will) come a time when we have to target players whether draft or otherwise to fill some gaps. We should still have a good core of mature players by that time to build upon.

Terry should have researched a little more before commenting.....'a lot' of 27 yr olds.....Warnock for decent picks? he's only 23 or something right? Gosh.

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another article to pin up on the locker room wall at Visy Park. No worries. Bring it on!!

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Robert Warnock and pick 69 to us, picks 24, 56 and 72 to Fremantle.

We ahrdly mortgaged our future there!!

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Two drafts later actually but only further emphasis your post

At the time of the Warnock trade, we were skinny for AFL level ruck options. We had only just recruited Krooz, had Cam Cloke as an average back-up option, had Hammer not showing a great deal and a rookie option that was a long way off from senior footy (Jacobs).

Now with hindsight, the way Jacobs developed, we could've perhaps avoided the Warnock trade, however, with the circumstances as they stood at the time I could understand the logic.

And in the end we got a strong HB candidate in Laidler from a trade from what was a rookie selection.

Who cares though, opinions are like @rseholes, everyones got one and most of the time it stinks!

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so, according to wallace , if we dont go foward in two years we'll be going backwards?
mans a fricken genius...

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What kind of f@¥*ery is this...?

He is a lost soul who is now bitter with the world - stuff the drop kick and his views

This opinion coming from someone who picked Tambling ahead of Buddy, and gave away 2 high draft picks for Jordan McMahon....

Lets look at the dealsthat have 'reduced our premiership window' according to Wallet a little more closely shall we....

Judd deal:

Gained: A once in a lifetime player whose gone on to be the face of the club, our captain, Victorian representative, triple best and fairest, triple All Australian and Brownlow Medal winner since arriving. Still contracted for another 3 years, and will most likely plan on a few more years after that.

Lost: JK (been ok at the Eagles but hardly been a superstar), Pick 3 (Masden lol), Pick 20 (Notte - delisted already lol)

Result: MASSIVE WIN

Warnock deal:

Gained: Talented young ruckman who showed his potential with some great performancesin the 2nd half of 2010. Sure theres plenty of ruckmen around, but big blokes with the talent and athleticism of Robbie arent exactly a dime a dozen...

Lost: A pick in the 20s, a pick in the 50s and a pick in the 70s... We were hardly goingto pick the 'the 10 yea players to play alongside Gibbs, Murph and Kruez' that Wallet was going on about with those picks....

Result: Win / Win - We gained the athletic young ruckman that we needed, Freo got I think Suban.
and two other duds

Brock deal:

Gained: Former Top 10 draft pick, who if he stays injury free, will provide that extra grunt and big body we need in the midfield to complement the silk that is Judd, Gibbs and Murphy. Luke Ball showed last year just what a diference a injury free season can make to a players confidence, and to people's perception of you.

Lost : Pick 11 (Jordan Gysberts - yeah he gets the ball, but has Carazzo like turnover efficiency lol)

Result: If Brock stays injury fee, it will be a Win / Win. We get the in and under mid to help Judd. Melbourne get a young midfielder.

Fev deal - which Wallace 'forgot' to mention.

Gained: Lachie Henderson (Former top 10 pick and potential Key Position gun - 10 yr player), Pick 12 (Kane Lucas - already shown his talent at AFL level - 10 yr player)

Loss: Nothing really.. Our forward line functioned well without Fev, and the Club stayed out of the tabloids (besides a minor glitch early on with he Booze Cruise). Fev, on the other hand, has almost single handedly destroyed the Brisbane Football Club with his constant off field antics and massive front ended contract. If not already, surely Fev will be gone by the end of next year.

Result: MASSIVE WIN

Sauce deal

Gained: 2 young KPPs in McCarthy and Mitchell

Lost: Talented young ruckman, who as good as he could potentially be, was seen as surplus to our needs, Pick in the 40s

Result: Yet to e determined, but can be seen as a win, as we gained two young Key position players, and lost a ruckman who was behind Hammer, Kruez and Warnock in the pecking order.

Grigg deal:

Lost: Tough nut mid with ego issues. Crap kickingfor goal cost u at crucial stages of a couple of games late last year.

Gained: Talented Mid / Forward with courage by the bucketload

Result: Win / Win

Laidler deal:

Gained: Talented young defender with great foot skills, who we pinched under the noses of Geelong. They DID NOT want to lose him and were caught with their pants down

Lost: Late pick in the 40s or 50s.

Result: Win - Laidler is less or a gamble then taking an unproven 18 yo with a late pick, and has been around the system for 2-3 years and been lucky enough to learn from one of if not the best defence in the comp in the last few years).
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I dont see the down side to any of these deals, appart from maybe the Brock deal if he has another injury riddled season.
Wallet conveniently left out the raft of young talent we've got coming through, and the fact that we're still probably the 5th or 6th most in experienced side in the comp, and will overtake teams such as St Kilda and the Bulldogs (who've got ageing lists) in the next few years...

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Dom you forgot about the steak knives we received in the Judd deal, Armfield