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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:15 pm 
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Made me think how much of a gamble it is to draft these indig. kids and take them away from home. The culture shock for many of them must be staggering. Conversely, also made me think that as long as they can cope with the home sickness (unlike Rocca, A), many of them probably have a much better chance of making it away from their home environment, than if they stayed in their own state, close to bad influence's.

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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:35 pm 
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my feel about Jago and his father/grandfather was that they were so negative and condescending. We never really saw the father giving his son that warmth that Yarrans mum had for Chris.

Jago's father was by far the worst character of the doco.


A bit harsh I reckon Swan. The only reason you knew anything about Jago's father was because he was not in jail or a drug addict about to commit suicide. Jago's mum was so warm she let the father raise the kids!! My take on his attitude and he expressed in the documentary was that Jago had to find it within himself to make the necessary adjustments in his life. He just was not prepared to do it.


Woof i agree with your comments, sometimes there is a fine line between too much and not enough attention. They went to Jago's games and theer was genuine support, but at some stage you need to decide what you want to do as a young lad. I am sure there would have been huge expectation that may have wore him down. You are damned if you do and damned if you dont.

Young Dane from NSW looked such a bubbly kid around the 16 yo mark but his father's death knocked the stuffing out of him. Young boy's at times can put their dads on a pedestal despite all their miss-givings and easily forget the many bad things for the few good things. It looks like he is working hard to turn himself around which is fantastic.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:38 pm 
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http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/docs

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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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I too thought the documentary was fantastic.

I would however, like to know how much influence Paul Connors (Chris' manager) had in the final cut and what ended up on the cutting room floor. I'm not saying anything untoward went on, I'm just suggesting a few e-mails went back and forth between Connors, the AFLPA and Michael Cordell. Don't get me wrong - Chris is a lovely kid, but he was portrayed in a very good light - possibly because he is already in the AFL system. Meanwhile, the other boys were portrayed as insecure troublemakers, a light that Chris Yarran could easily have been portrayed in, prior to moving to Melbourne.

It'll never happen, but a doco on the bond and relationship that Eddie Betts, Jeff Garlett and Chris has would be fantastic. It's a unique relationship. I would actually pay good money to have the 3 on stage with Syd Jackson...would be a hoot.

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As an aside, did anyone else think that Derek Hine was out of order asking Chris about his father? Everyone knew his home situation prior to the draft and it needn't have been asked. I didn't mind the question by Simon Lloyd about alcohol and had to laugh when Chris said 'I don't like the taste of it'... :lol: :lol: but I thought the Hine question could have been worded differently. Chris handled himself well.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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As an aside, did anyone else think that Derek Hine was out of order asking Chris about his father? Everyone knew his home situation prior to the draft and it needn't have been asked.


When I heard the question my assumption was that he was testing his honesty rather than try and find out what was going on.


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Did we get to find out who Levi was handcuffed to?

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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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my feel about Jago and his father/grandfather was that they were so negative and condescending. We never really saw the father giving his son that warmth that Yarrans mum had for Chris.

Jago's father was by far the worst character of the doco.



Was that the old guy who was all like "Why would anyone want to leave Smithton and go to Melbourne, everything you need is right here." I was a bit speechless at this guy's attitude. Fair enough HE never wants to leave his comfort zone, but don't force this attitude on others, it's just selfish.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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I think that guy was the grandfather, the father was nice country sort of laid back not interfere type. Who probably should've pushed the kid a bit if he could have (and could have afforded to support him in Hobart rather than Smithton) for example.

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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:50 pm 
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Cant help but think that if the NSW lad had got on the plane and played for his state it may have all been different (a sliding doors type scenario)

Interesting that the 2 extroverts couldnt ultimately make it whereas introvert did


Also whilst it obviously was difficult Chris going to the AIS for a while and having to acclimatise early to separation from the family may have helped when he ultimately came to Melbourne


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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Stone Free wrote:
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my feel about Jago and his father/grandfather was that they were so negative and condescending. We never really saw the father giving his son that warmth that Yarrans mum had for Chris.

Jago's father was by far the worst character of the doco.



Was that the old guy who was all like "Why would anyone want to leave Smithton and go to Melbourne, everything you need is right here." I was a bit speechless at this guy's attitude. Fair enough HE never wants to leave his comfort zone, but don't force this attitude on others, it's just selfish.



But that is the way it is in so many country towns throughout Tasmania (and I dare say the same in Vic, SA and WA).

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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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i watched an old interview with Chris (go to his personal profile on the CFC site)........even after 12 months at the Blues he had started to mature.

seems that when he first came to Carlton he stayed with a combo of Tony deBolfo and Greg Swann....a pretty solid introduction.

Chris seems like somebody has enormous upside - which will come as he matures and grows into being his own man..........all up to the Blues to provide him with the right support and leadership.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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i watched an old interview with Chris (go to his personal profile on the CFC site)........even after 12 months at the Blues he had started to mature.

seems that when he first came to Carlton he stayed with a combo of Tony deBolfo and Greg Swann....a pretty solid introduction.

Chris seems like somebody has enormous upside - which will come as he matures and grows into being his own man..........all up to the Blues to provide him with the right support and leadership.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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london blue wrote:
i watched an old interview with Chris (go to his personal profile on the CFC site)........even after 12 months at the Blues he had started to mature.

seems that when he first came to Carlton he stayed with a combo of Tony deBolfo and Greg Swann....a pretty solid introduction.

Chris seems like somebody has enormous upside - which will come as he matures and grows into being his own man..........all up to the Blues to provide him with the right support and leadership.


I was proud that the blues were the club that took Chris, I think we are certainly giving him support and leadership which is already beginning to see benefits in how Chris has matured and remained focussed and producing PB's over summer.

I also thought of AJ and how similar his story is in terms of isolation to Jago's. Here is a guy who came through the ranks commuting to Hobart and leaving family in Queenstown/Zeehan? at such a young age and futhermore got promoted from a rookie list to play at the elite level. :clap: :clap:

So many guys have really earnt the opportunity to play at the highest level through great determination and hard work, they do themselves proud.

A great doco and a heart warming story.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:29 pm 
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lily of laguna wrote:
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i watched an old interview with Chris (go to his personal profile on the CFC site)........even after 12 months at the Blues he had started to mature.

seems that when he first came to Carlton he stayed with a combo of Tony deBolfo and Greg Swann....a pretty solid introduction.

Chris seems like somebody has enormous upside - which will come as he matures and grows into being his own man..........all up to the Blues to provide him with the right support and leadership.


I was proud that the blues were the club that took Chris, I think we are certainly giving him support and leadership which is already beginning to see benefits in how Chris has matured and remained focussed and producing PB's over summer.

I also thought of AJ and how similar his story is in terms of isolation to Jago's. Here is a guy who came through the ranks commuting to Hobart and leaving family in Queenstown/Zeehan? at such a young age and futhermore got promoted from a rookie list to play at the elite level. :clap: :clap:

So many guys have really earnt the opportunity to play at the highest level through great determination and hard work, they do themselves proud.

A great doco and a heart warming story.


Strahan - which makes it even more amazing! :clap: :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/yarran-by-the-yarra-20100717-10f9w.html

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Interview from last year with Yarran about the doco.

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There are things still on Yarran's mind this year: chasing, tackling, working harder, running to get the ball, not waiting for it to come to him. Last year, Carlton captain Chris Judd and Connors took Yarran out to dinner a few times. None of the first-year players, Judd pointed out to him, were doing any of the extra sessions. If you did them, we'd all be thinking 'wow', Judd said.

One day last summer, trailing in the time trials again, Yarran called Judd and asked him to come run around Princes Park with him. "Juddy had flogged himself the day before and it was the last thing he wanted to do, but he couldn't say no to the kid," Connors said. "A lot of people were good to Chris last year. But he's changed. He's started to think, 'OK, hang on, if I can just get my body right. . ."


Thank Judd for Judd. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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But that is the way it is in so many country towns throughout Tasmania (and I dare say the same in Vic, SA and WA).


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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One thing the doco brought home to me was exactly why it was so tough for people to judge Yarran's output in his first year. This was a massive readjustment for the young lad in a whole host of ways, and that readjustment is probably still happening to a certain extent.

As for the Smithton and Melbourne comment from the other young bloke's dad... it is horses for courses. Capital cities aren't everyone's cup of tea. Stephen Oliver will attest to that, and Nathan Ablett to a certain extent. The rat race just isn't for everyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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Stone Free wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
my feel about Jago and his father/grandfather was that they were so negative and condescending. We never really saw the father giving his son that warmth that Yarrans mum had for Chris.

Jago's father was by far the worst character of the doco.



Was that the old guy who was all like "Why would anyone want to leave Smithton and go to Melbourne, everything you need is right here." I was a bit speechless at this guy's attitude. Fair enough HE never wants to leave his comfort zone, but don't force this attitude on others, it's just selfish.


I believe he also tried to justify the kids lazy training schedule by saying kids burn out if they train. Absolute wanker

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 Post subject: Re: Three Boys Dreaming
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Fabulous doco.
I heard it will be on ABC2 but the website doesn't say when or if that will be. Just the iview.
Heart was overflowing for Yaz and his family. I hope he has an even better 2011.

Couldn't help hoping Kevin Sheedy was watching too, and decides to mentor the other two kids. Maybe give' em an experience of a 6month boot camp to see how they develop.
I just couldn't help feeling that the right mentor at the right time in those boys lives would have changed everything.

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Molly wrote:
One thing the doco brought home to me was exactly why it was so tough for people to judge Yarran's output in his first year. This was a massive readjustment for the young lad in a whole host of ways, and that readjustment is probably still happening to a certain extent.

As for the Smithton and Melbourne comment from the other young bloke's dad... it is horses for courses. Capital cities aren't everyone's cup of tea. Stephen Oliver will attest to that, and Nathan Ablett to a certain extent. The rat race just isn't for everyone.


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