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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:01 pm 
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Where is it suggested that they will completely change game plan from week to week?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:45 pm 
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Where doe sit say wholesale changes to game plan?

More likely minor adjustments. They probably have two or three adjustments to game plans up their sleeve every week. Like bachelors do...except after a few beers it goes out the window...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:43 am 
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then perhaps they shouldn't be drinking during a game.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:57 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Bower is a tall, not a HBF and no way Watson is playing as a CHB this season.


Traditional roles have gone out the window.

Watson is enormous, weighs a ton, and is tall tall, he won't be a HBF if he plays seniors this year. He will play tal if he plays.

Bower is not a no. 1 or 2 tall, that much was obvious last year. He is a 3rd tall, who generates run for the team. He is not one of your top 2 tall defenders. Watson was recruited to fill that void. Whether he plays much in 2011 remains to be seen, but if he plays you can bet he won't be a HBF.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:09 am 
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Bower is not a no. 1 or 2 tall, that much was obvious last year. He is a 3rd tall, who generates run for the team. He is not one of your top 2 tall defenders.

And it was incorrect the season before that. Bower is no man mountain, but he can play CHB. Watson is a fairly unique player, I suspect he'll be a much bulkier defender than anyone on our list in a few years, including McCarthy.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:36 am 
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In some of the games I saw last year, if Gibb's hadn't been cleaning up down back we would have got smashed.

I wanted him to be a more involved mid fielder, i.e. get his own ball every now and then, I'm not sure if he's up to it ATM.

Theres no doubt that if he does get the ball forward of the centre a lot more then we can expect him to kick more goals and our kicking efficiency inside 50 to increase substantially.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:27 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Bower is a tall, not a HBF and no way Watson is playing as a CHB this season.


Traditional roles have gone out the window.

Watson is enormous, weighs a ton, and is tall tall, he won't be a HBF if he plays seniors this year. He will play tal if he plays.

Bower is not a no. 1 or 2 tall, that much was obvious last year. He is a 3rd tall, who generates run for the team. He is not one of your top 2 tall defenders. Watson was recruited to fill that void. Whether he plays much in 2011 remains to be seen, but if he plays you can bet he won't be a HBF.


Dont remember saying Watson was a HBF or would play there.

Look, Bowers season was destroyed by injury last season, Im not sure why people dont see that. He never got the momentum back. He had a successful 2008/2009 playing on guys like Franklin and Reiwoldt so much so that Ratten had him pegged to play on Jonothan Brown. From all reports he's bulking up a little this off-season, he'll have more support from defenders around him and we'll hopefully have a more accountable midfield

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:25 am 
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LAst yr teams figured out if You pressed up against our back 6 and shutdown russel then we really struggled to get the ball out and we turned it over. Gibbs going back was about adding a quality decision maker and ball user in the back half. U will have noticed Judd and Murphy running deep into defense later in the yr for the same reason. In short we don't have enough quality users of the ball in the back 6. If the new guys can provide this attribute then release Gibbs otherwise teams will again force easy turn overs and score.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:02 pm 
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As a side note ... I am less impressed with Bower than I used to be. I would seriously consider using Thornton again ... :fight: :fight: :fight:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:10 pm 
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BlueRob wrote:
As a side note ... I am less impressed with Bower than I used to be. I would seriously consider using Thornton again ... :fight: :fight: :fight:


I think Thornton is still capable of playing good footy.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:14 pm 
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BlueRob wrote:
As a side note ... I am less impressed with Bower than I used to be. I would seriously consider using Thornton again ... :fight: :fight: :fight:


I think Thornton is still capable of playing good footy. A 27 yr old player shouldn't fall off the face of the earth after a fine 2009 season. Thornton did - ego? coach-player relationship? inability to change playing style? He is up against it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:16 pm 
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BlueRob wrote:
As a side note ... I am less impressed with Bower than I used to be. I would seriously consider using Thornton again ... :fight: :fight: :fight:


I think Thornton is still capable of playing good footy. A 27 yr old player shouldn't fall off the face of the earth after a fine 2009 season. Thornton did - ego? coach-player relationship? inability to change playing style? He is up against it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:18 pm 
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aramari wrote:
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As a side note ... I am less impressed with Bower than I used to be. I would seriously consider using Thornton again ... :fight: :fight: :fight:


I think Thornton is still capable of playing good footy. A 27 yr old player shouldn't fall off the face of the earth after a fine 2009 season. Thornton did - ego? coach-player relationship? inability to change playing style? He is up against it.


I don't think its ego. Thornton has bad habits and ones that he is struggling to shake. Ratts obviously only wants certain types of defenders who play a certain way and is trying to change Thornton's style. Or perhaps there is only room for one stay at home defender and that is Jamison.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:46 am 
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..the loose.floating type defender than zones off to intercept and help out team-mates is a vital role in the defensive back six, and thornton is our best at that role, it's just now that same role needs to move play on quickly, and that is what thornton is least good at..

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:17 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..the loose.floating type defender than zones off to intercept and help out team-mates is a vital role in the defensive back six, and thornton is our best at that role, it's just now that same role needs to move play on quickly, and that is what thornton is least good at..


I agree. He needs to get a quick feed to Army or Russell who can move the ball quickly or find a lose player on the wing or the middle of the ground. Hate his switch play when he goes across the face of goal getting the ball nowhere in a hurry. The thing is our players should be aware of this from him and try to free up space for him as targets.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:52 pm 
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Apparently Richo was on 3AW and said Ratts would coach from the boundary line for the entire season.

Good move IMO. Our form obviously picked up when this happened, may have been other factors as well of course.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:19 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Apparently Richo was on 3AW and said Ratts would coach from the boundary line for the entire season.

Good move IMO. Our form obviously picked up when this happened, may have been other factors as well of course.



He cetainly looked more comfortable down there.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:30 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Rafalution wrote:
Apparently Richo was on 3AW and said Ratts would coach from the boundary line for the entire season.

Good move IMO. Our form obviously picked up when this happened, may have been other factors as well of course.



He cetainly looked more comfortable down there.


It seems coaching positions has done a full cycle from when Barassi first used an elevated position to watch the game from. Was it Roos who started the trend of standing on the sidelines with the interchange???


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:03 pm 
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No, it was Sheedy against West Coast back in 2007 (?).


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:20 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Apparently Richo was on 3AW and said Ratts would coach from the boundary line for the entire season.

Good move IMO. Our form obviously picked up when this happened, may have been other factors as well of course.

Good idea, Richardson and Brown can coach the team from the coaches box and Ratts can barrack from the boundry line.


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