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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:14 pm 
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Ratten introduced each of the new recruits, commented that Kreuzer is having to be held back from over-training and will be available from early in the new the year, if not round 1.
I may have miss heard this but i think Ratts said Kruze was riding to Bathurst. So much for holding him back if true.


Know how knee recos work?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:41 pm 
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I have read most of these posts

Who cares about a hat? If you like last years wear it.

Who cares about life membership, the board and management decide who gets them.

All I care about is who we recruit and how well they can play the game.

The coach is only as good as his cattle. Go ask poor old Pagan.

Anyway as this is a club, if you don't like how Sticks does it, nominate for the board and see how you go.

If you don't like my post then tough luck


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:57 pm 
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caulfieldrover wrote:
I have read most of these posts

Who cares about a hat? If you like last years wear it.

Who cares about life membership, the board and management decide who gets them.

All I care about is who we recruit and how well they can play the game.

The coach is only as good as his cattle. Go ask poor old Pagan.

Anyway as this is a club, if you don't like how Sticks does it, nominate for the board and see how you go.

If you don't like my post then tough luck


I like your post.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:59 pm 
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caulfieldrover wrote:
I have read most of these posts

Who cares about a hat? If you like last years wear it.

Who cares about life membership, the board and management decide who gets them.

All I care about is who we recruit and how well they can play the game.

The coach is only as good as his cattle. Go ask poor old Pagan.

Anyway as this is a club, if you don't like how Sticks does it, nominate for the board and see how you go.

If you don't like my post then tough luck

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:20 pm 
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I asked Greg Swann about Marc Murphy, he thought things should work out OK without sounding totally convincing. He appeared much more confident about Luke Mitchell's shoulder operation and recovery which was quite pleasing. I asked him if we were aware about Luke's shoulder when we drafted him and his response was that Luke hurt his shoulder at Sorrento.



I wouldn't have thought there was an awful lot of contesting work being done at Sorrento that may have caused the injury - a bit worrying that his shoulder would cause concern under those circumstances. :?



Agree Jr... after talking to Luke he gave the impression it was an existing ailment, hence my question to Swann. Luke went into detail on how when/how the shoulder inconvenienced him... the specific type of marking contests etc. A fair bit of detail especially if the injury had just occurred!!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:31 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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Life memberships will continue to be awarded to only those exceptional Carlton people”


So supporting the club emotionally, and importantly financially, over many many years doesn't make you one of those? Disappointing. There should be a special LM category for long-term members.


If there was my old man would already have two LM's :grin:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:31 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
As I said in the thread in the Training forums, I love my club but I still want it to do better. We're getting left behind by the innovative and inclusive clubs and we aren't going to reach 50000 members just by declaring that we will.

Little things like the hat aren't a problem in themselves but when you step back and look at the overall picture it's clear that as a club we have a long way to go.



It's funny, while we are excluding supporters other clubs are being innovative and engaging them.... On Monday night Collingwood film a commercial involving thousands of fans, Tuesday night hold a Christmas Cocktail function as well as their AGM tonight!

The Kangas have begun holding twilight training sessions tonight to cater for the working crowd (which apparently will be a weekly occurrence), Brad Scott is on radio every second day while we lock people out and avoid the media!!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:34 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
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I asked Greg Swann about Marc Murphy, he thought things should work out OK without sounding totally convincing. He appeared much more confident about Luke Mitchell's shoulder operation and recovery which was quite pleasing. I asked him if we were aware about Luke's shoulder when we drafted him and his response was that Luke hurt his shoulder at Sorrento.



I wouldn't have thought there was an awful lot of contesting work being done at Sorrento that may have caused the injury - a bit worrying that his shoulder would cause concern under those circumstances. :?



Agree Jr... after talking to Luke he gave the impression it was an existing ailment, hence my question to Swann. Luke went into detail on how when/how the shoulder inconvenienced him... the specific type of marking contests etc. A fair bit of detail especially if the injury had just occurred!!



I'm guessing that Ratts will not only put a media ban on himself and the players but also a ban on talking to "Colourman" as well. :razz:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:38 pm 
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Agro jr wrote:
but also a ban on talking to "Colourman" as well. :razz:


...bit racist.....?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:48 pm 
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Thank-you everyone for your reports. Was unable to attend myself. Would have loved to though. Some very interesting points to come out of the meeting by the sounds of it, and some very comical ones too:

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The poor quality of the 2010 membership caps was raised; the Club was aware of this and have changed supplier for 2011.


I am aware that the cap wasn't of the greatest quality, and people pay good money for their membership and so on. But really, if all people join up for is for the hat, then why bother? I really couldn't care less about the supplier for the hat.

Membership is about more than the prizes you can receive...for me it's about value for money when going to the games, and most of all, support for the Carlton Football Club.

Next we'll be talking about the quality of paper used in each issue of the club magazine... :screwy:


Well yes, but if it's not too much of a stretch to get better quality caps, then why not. More people wearing caps = more members showing their membership to non members.

And besides, the caps have always been shit :lol:


Although 7 out of 10 men who wear caps are bald


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:57 pm 
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Although 7 out of 10 men who wear caps are bald


And your point..........? :lol:

Ever had a sunburnt pate? Not pleasant, and then when it starts peeling, it looks like you have mega dandruff.

Besides, I'm not bald, I'm just too tall for my hair.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:19 am 
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And, as usual on footy forums, it comes back to a man's ego defending his argument. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:30 am 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
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A Hall of Fame/Museum was being considered.


A complete backflip if true. But the space where it should be housed is being occupied/utilised (under the Gardiner Stand)...so any half-arsed attempt will not be appreciated.

Thanks for your time PPW. :thumbsup:


Doc I think its the sort of thing the Club says is always being considered, but its clear that it cant make money out of it. It sounds nice to say to devotees that its something that might happen and something that is in their minds, but the reality is it would cost money. Despite my love of Carlton history, Id much prefer them to focus on getting the support team right (management / operations structure), expand revenues etc off field and then consider this in a more fulsome business plan of sorts.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:18 am 
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molsey wrote:
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A Hall of Fame/Museum was being considered.


A complete backflip if true. But the space where it should be housed is being occupied/utilised (under the Gardiner Stand)...so any half-arsed attempt will not be appreciated.

Thanks for your time PPW. :thumbsup:


Doc I think its the sort of thing the Club says is always being considered, but its clear that it cant make money out of it. It sounds nice to say to devotees that its something that might happen and something that is in their minds, but the reality is it would cost money. Despite my love of Carlton history, Id much prefer them to focus on getting the support team right (management / operations structure), expand revenues etc off field and then consider this in a more fulsome business plan of sorts.


I wonder whether that's along the lines of the original meaning of fulsome:


1. offensive to good taste, esp. as being excessive; overdone or gross: fulsome praise that embarrassed her deeply; fulsome décor.
2. disgusting; sickening; repulsive: a table heaped with fulsome mounds of greasy foods.
3. excessively or insincerely lavish: fulsome admiration.

:lol: :lol:

I disagree that a Hall of Fame doesn't have the ability to pay for itself, and even make money, if done right.

The trick is to do it right. The last decade, the club has been more fixated on not doing things, or doing them superficially than the right way.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:19 am 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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Although 7 out of 10 men who wear caps are bald


And your point..........? :lol:

Ever had a sunburnt pate? Not pleasant, and then when it starts peeling, it looks like you have mega dandruff.

Besides, I'm not bald, I'm just too tall for my hair.


Oh eeeewwwww!

WRT talking to the media...are people really surprised that after years of bad press the club is reluctant to play the media game? Just look at the recent article on Goddard - one small part of the conversation is turned into the focus of the article.

And seriously who cares about what North are doing? They would love to be in our position.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:45 am 
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of course KK, the same mistake Mr John Howard made. Lets say more complete then.

Its pretty clear the Club doesnt think it can make money out of its history yet. I think the Club still has many other things to focus on and doesn't have a deep management ability to do that. If we can't get website training times right then how can we manage a physical museum of sorts.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:23 am 
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And seriously who cares about what North are doing? They would love to be in our position.


It's this kind of thinking that may well lead to Carlton being overtaken by 'lesser' clubs like North. As much as we've improved on and off field in the last few seasons we can't afford to rest on our laurels either. North may not have enough supporters to fill a mini, but they're at least trying to engage them.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:24 am 
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of course KK, the same mistake Mr John Howard made. Lets say more complete then.

Its pretty clear the Club doesnt think it can make money out of its history yet. I think the Club still has many other things to focus on and doesn't have a deep management ability to do that. If we can't get website training times right then how can we manage a physical museum of sorts.


Museums and so on aren't just history, and public galleries and museums don't make money from ticket sales.

Make the shop part of the museum, but with more Carlton memorabilia, and more things along those lines. Make the coffee shop part of it, where you can sit around having a good lunch - it is Carlton after all, FFS - and watch excerpts from famous matches, but with past players giving their insights into the play, like a DVD's Director's cut. Imagine watching the 99 PF or 99 GF hearing SOS talk about his part in the match, or Big Nick talking about 1970.

The possibilities are limitless, it just takes a bit of thought and care.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:38 am 
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Not sure what you're saying - you think Carlton should think abit more about running itself better? No one would disagree.

I'm saying - not arguing - that from what I know / see / have heard, the Club has decided it can't make a dollar out of it.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:50 am 
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molsey wrote:
Not sure what you're saying - you think Carlton should think abit more about running itself better? No one would disagree.

I'm saying - not arguing - that from what I know / see / have heard, the Club has decided it can't make a dollar out of it.


I'm not saying the Cub needs to be run better. We know there are improvements that need to be made, but there are better people than me to make comments about those things.

What I'm saying...well arguing :wink: ...is that with a little - and it only has to be a little - medium to long-term vision and planning, the club can make money out of its history no sweat. Just on this board there are people with the knowledge and contacts in many marketing, planning communications and advertising areas (me included), but they steadfastly refuse to accept offers of help from passionate Carlton people to make things happen.

I mean they even got a F^&*ing Essendon* player to run the cafe, FFS!

Some of the decisions made are bewildering, it has to be said.

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