You can't cover all areas with this position. The most important part of a side now is the midfield rotations. IMO it will be a guy that can add to that rotation at anytime or make an impact in the second half.

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This seemed so obvious to me, but apparently it isn't.

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You'll see the ruckman resting forward alot more so the bench is free for the runners. Thus good tanks and mobility will be important for the rucks, as will their defensive aspects when resting forward. The latter will be a huge advantage as I can see sides using slightly small 3rd tall type to run off the resting ruckman the way the game is these days. Walker and Waite could be handy alternating out of FF and midfield in mobile 3rd tall roles leaving just the genuine 2 talls up forward. That way we're less likely to get run off being too tall up forward, similar to what we did against Geelong in round 5 when the Cats picked their 3 talls up forward, Pods, Mooney and Hawkins, and Walker just ran off Hawkins at will setting up attacks and making the Cats look slow. While Walker played the defensive forward role very well in the final, just be nice to take another step and stick a few tackles. Be perfect then.

There's going to be a skill in setting up the forward line now as 3 talls, including the resting ruck, might be exploited. As for the Pies, because they use Brown on the field as the pinch-hitting ruckman, they will be disavantaged as their runner will only have 3 available midfield rotating bench spots. Those with 2 rucks, one previously resting on the bench togther with 3 midfeild type runners, won't be quite as disavantaged with one resting forward. They'll still have the 3 midfield rotations. Just need to make sure their structure forward is right to accomodate.

nice post - an interesting view of what will happen next year. Makes a lot of sense to me.

As most have indicated I think the extra midfielder will be the default position teams take, however as an exception, every now and again a team will use a horses for courses approach and have an extra big man.

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Agree with those questioning the rule.

If I was a betting man (which I am not) I'd put money on the rule being changed after 2 years. The AFL do not realise the grief they are going to cause, bringing in rules that affect clubs' list decision, then chucking them out. And how the hell can a club be expected to draft appropriately when they don't know what the rules will be in 5 years time???!!!

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Dumb question - does anyone know when the sub will be designated as sub - will it be Thursday night or at submission of team sheets just before the match or will it be somewhere in between. And, if it is earlier than last minute will you be allowed to change the decision up to submission of team sheets like you can with who will start on the bench.

I expect us to play Henderson & Kruezer/Warnock as the stay at home forwards next year with Waite, Walker more up field.

Unsure, but have a check to see if they've updated the Laws of the Game pdf. That will likely reflect the rule change in full.

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There doesn't appear to be anything in the PDF but there is this on the site under new rules/ interpretations:


LAW CHANGES FOR 2011 PREMIERSHIP SEASON

1.1 Interchange: 3 interchange + 1 substitute
The three (3) interchange players can rotate off the bench as four (4) have done in previous years. The substitute player can go on at any time to replace a player. The player he replaces cannot come back onto the ground. The player who is replaced by the substitute does not have to be injured to be replaced.


whilst the PDF states:

5.3 T eam Sheets
5.3.1 D etails
Unless otherwise determined by a Controlling Body, a Team
Sheet shall:
(a) list the names and numbers of the Players in the Team;
(b) identify the Interchange Players;
(c) identify the captain; and
(d) list the name of the coach, Team Runner(s) and any
other Official participating in the Match.
5.3.2 C ompleting and Lodging Team Sheet
Unless otherwise determined by a Controlling Body, an Official
of each Team shall complete and lodge with a field Umpire its
Team Sheet no later than 30 minutes before the scheduled
commencement of a Match.


So if the interchange don't formally need to be identified until exchange of team sheets (and clearly that is so despite the convention of naming them Thursday night) then presumably even if you did name a substitute on Thursday night you are not bound to it. To me this is a matter of some importance if you have a situation where both sides have variety on the bench such that either could go a tall as sub or a small as sub - you would want to know what the other is doing so as to have the chance to match your team balance to theirs or to make an informed choice to go the other way. You can't simply rectify any imbalance by ringing the interchanges, you would have to use up your sub. Perhaps the home team (or the away - just so long as it is consistent) should be called upon to produce their team sheet say 5 minutes before the opposition?

Some extra historical background for those interested:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_artic ... icleId=154

It might surprise you to know that we've only had true interchange ability since 1978.

From the Blueseum

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After however long this rule change is still stupid.

..sub-rule has merit, especially when easing in players..



..and of course, with an injured player and all that..

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It does have merit but not the way it currently stands....

What is this new rule trying to achieve? Is it trying to reduce the number of interchanges, or protect teams against the loss of players due to injury? In my view it doesnt do either very well.

If they are trying to reduce interchanges leave the bench as is and a cap per 1/4 should be in place.

If they want to protect teams against injury then they should allow a sub or 2 for injury only and these should be not allowed to take place after half time to restrict teams from being too tactical regarding the subs. The loss of a player very early in the game is minimized and rotations are not as impacted as they are now.

What they have put in place at present appears to be a slapdash response that just alters things too much.

As for easing players in....I think the reserves is still the best way to do that.

I guess the proof will be in the pudding though.........

Just wondering what/how people think the club should view this tactic throughout the season? Should we have a designated sub player in mind, based on position, i.e. a second ruck? Should we take it game by game (i.e - an extra mid coming off a Perth trip or a 6 day break seems logical also), or do we have a particular player in mind, i.e an Armfield, Robinson sort that can create an immediate impact?

I get the feeling that with Henderson and Kreuzer both late starters for the year, we'd start with o'hAilpin or even Casboult as the sub, to give us a bit of flexibility in what we can do with the line up. It will all depend on Warnock's tank and ability to run a whole game out, perhaps also Hampson's ability to put his hand up for selection also.

The week after, hopefully a return from Henderson, GC's lack of ruck options and a potential to exploit the young kids' inexperience in running out 120 minutes of football may see a change to bring in someone with a decent tank on them to really hammer home the advantage. Joseph has a decent one on him I believe. Something to consider...

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The sub will be someone capable of going through the middle, and likely a player who can also go forward or back. We have a lot of flexibility in our team, so while flexibility in the sub will be important, an extra midfield runner will be more so.
I'm thinking a Davies/Robinson/Armfield type player.

I can't see why a player like Armfield would be a sub.

He's in because of his ability to use his pace to defend against smalls with pace ala Rioli, but also uses that pace to break lines.
Unlike say a Robbo, Armfield just keeps on keeping on with the afterburners for 4 quarters (with minimal rests in between). There's not much else on our list with Armfield's attributes on our list imo. Robbo with a smaller tank would probably suit the role of Sub more, because he might not be able to sustain the energy levels required to apply 100% effort for more than a half a game of footy; I'm guessing.

I would think a player like Bower who can cover a small or tall and relieve one of the runners from the backline (like Armfield, Russell, Scotto, Yarran, Duigan, Laidler etc to play a midfield would role be ideal, but then again, I can't see a player of his calibre and fitness level being used as a sub either.

It's a hard one, and I guess we'll have to live with the rule for at least 2011; I can't see us keeping it, but then again it may just work.

The fact that it was designed to curb Collingwood's excessive use of the bench is a good reason to have it, but when it stuffs us up, I'll be dead against the rule.

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