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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:53 pm 
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If you read and listened to a lot of stuff before the draft, Watson, McCarthy and even Mitchell were grabbing headlines and a lot of people (espec here) had all three in their wishlist and hoped we could get two of them.

Post draft and hearing Robert Shaw on the radio, it seems we have (on paper) exceeded expectations because we got all three. McCarthy is being talked about as one of the potential steals of the draft so that's got to be a bonus.

Mitchell seems like a quality stay at home FF with questions over his injury. Watson constantly gets mentioned as THE quality backman of the draft. Then add some hopefuls in McInnes and Duigan and, as mentioned it looks good on paper.

Compare this to 2009 where Lucas was a stand out, with the jury well and truly out on Davies and Kerr, and you'd have to say this was a far better result (on paper).

Go further and compare it to 2008... Yarran has shown glimpses of potential with a big upside and some level of risk on application, Robinson has great aggression but you wouldn't say he's quality at this point, Rhys O'Keefe is fighting to be redrafted, and nothing needs to be said about Caleb Tiller.

Worst case scenario might be the guys we took with our last 3 selections - Garlett (star), Ellard (potential) and White (potential) - end up being the best 'recruits' of the draft.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:15 pm 
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Well done to our recruiters.....you can only pick what's available at your turn....not easy.

Fingers crossed boys!.......... :clap:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:57 pm 
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I think JohnM is on the money. Great to have these kids at the club and really hope they are all stars. We are really due for a national draft where we turn up more than a couple of players. But at this stage they are just names. Be great if one or two were stars and the others solid citizens in the firsts, history suggests that is wildly optimistic, but hope it happens and in a few years we will know.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:39 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
A good outcome. I would have liked an inside mid thrown into the mix but I'm very happy with the first 3 selections.


I don't know about any of the players we have picked, other than what I have read on here and in the press. BUt it seems like we have picked players that have wonderful potential.

If they do come through in a few years time to become very good players, then it gives us the spine we need to challenge for a flag...

Jamison/McCarthy
Watson
Judd
Henderson
Mitchell

Also releases Waite to anywhere we want him, which is very handy.

Definitely puts Jamison, White, Bower et al on notice.

I too woun't have minded an inside mid. Liked the sound of Parker (again, from what I had read), wonder if we would have taken him before Mitchell had Sydney not snapped him up immediately before? Then again, maybe McLean, Ellard and Gibbs can play that role?

Anyway, I'm rambling. The interesting thing for me is the insistance last year that we didn't need talls, and then this year picking 3 with our first 3 picks. Did they misread our list last year? Reassess after some poor performances this year? Or just rate this years talls much better than last year and so decided to go mid last year and tall this year? Not a criticism, just curious.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:13 pm 
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I'd give them a 'nod' for the type of player they've gone after. Odds
are good that one of the three will be a good 'un. (Hopefully more than one of course).


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:02 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
A good outcome. I would have liked an inside mid thrown into the mix but I'm very happy with the first 3 selections.


I don't know about any of the players we have picked, other than what I have read on here and in the press. BUt it seems like we have picked players that have wonderful potential.

If they do come through in a few years time to become very good players, then it gives us the spine we need to challenge for a flag...

Jamison/McCarthy
Watson
Judd
Henderson
Mitchell

Also releases Waite to anywhere we want him, which is very handy.

Definitely puts Jamison, White, Bower et al on notice.

I too woun't have minded an inside mid. Liked the sound of Parker (again, from what I had read), wonder if we would have taken him before Mitchell had Sydney not snapped him up immediately before? Then again, maybe McLean, Ellard and Gibbs can play that role?

Anyway, I'm rambling. The interesting thing for me is the insistance last year that we didn't need talls, and then this year picking 3 with our first 3 picks. Did they misread our list last year? Reassess after some poor performances this year? Or just rate this years talls much better than last year and so decided to go mid last year and tall this year? Not a criticism, just curious.


FWIW, all of Jamison Bower Austin Waite O'hAilpin Thornton come out of contract next year.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:07 pm 
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@#$%&! that.

We should have drafted Talia.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:28 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
I think JohnM is on the money. Great to have these kids at the club and really hope they are all stars. We are really due for a national draft where we turn up more than a couple of players. But at this stage they are just names. Be great if one or two were stars and the others solid citizens in the firsts, history suggests that is wildly optimistic, but hope it happens and in a few years we will know.

JohnM says if you enjoy draft day you're stupid...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:34 pm 
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I'd say O'Hailpin, Thornton and Austin on notice. But White and Bower ? White plays with injury and does really well in his first year at the club, and Bower struggles to come up after quad issues for many weeks - both are very good players and have long futures at Carlton IMHO.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:47 pm 
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We are assumming that all these players are going to come through at the same rate - if at all...

If we can get two new players into our backline next season, we will be doing great.

I reckon there might be a few older player lying awake at night, though...!!

It's been a long time since we had this problem...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:17 pm 
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phoenix johnson wrote:
!@#$%& that.

We should have drafted Talia.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:25 pm 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
A good outcome. I would have liked an inside mid thrown into the mix but I'm very happy with the first 3 selections.


Yeah, certainly wouldn't hurt to have that type of player coming in. I haven't followed the draft (prior to yesterday) as closely as I have in other years, but given we had 18, 34, 42, 67 and 70, was there any decent inside mids that we could have taken, considering the availability of the guys we did end up drafting?


Sydney Blue wrote:
Yes lets see how they go in the time trial first before we make any big calls about the new boys :lol:


Yes, of course, but Hughes' role is to scout the talent and make sure they have the ingredients for an AFL career.

Now it is up to our coaches and our development program to make sure we can extract every ounce of that potential.

As noted elsewhere in TalkingRecruitment it's probably a bit too narrow minded to judge drafting solely on the window of one year. Take a 2-4 year view and maybe the bigger picture starts to make more sense.


There was a discussion at the Carlton table whether to take McCarthey at 34 after snaring Watson. Mitch Hallahan was still around at the time, or maybe they were considering taking Mitchell with 34 after getting key back at 18, or just questioning whether they wanted to draft 2 key backs. Hallahan got picked between 34 & 42.


Mitch Hallahan was my man...but i'm happy with what we got.

Just hope he doesn't turn out to be the next J Selwood :smoking:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:45 pm 
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No!
Wayne Hughes has obviously read this forum and tried to shut up all the posters by making the recruits he did. Without us he wouldn't have landed such great players. He takes the credit but for @#$%&! sakes, he just took what we all wrote to the draft. Wayne Hughes needs to be sakced as soon as possible, he has no @#$%&! idea, nor does the board. We are a @#$%&! rabble, this 'no passengers' bullcrap first and now this? For crying out loud!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:29 pm 
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Captain Dan wrote:
No!
Wayne Hughes has obviously read this forum and tried to shut up all the posters by making the recruits he did. Without us he wouldn't have landed such great players. He takes the credit but for !@#$%& sakes, he just took what we all wrote to the draft. Wayne Hughes needs to be sakced as soon as possible, he has no !@#$%& idea, nor does the board. We are a !@#$%& rabble, this 'no passengers' bullcrap first and now this? For crying out loud!!!


Firstly, are you disappointed that Lucas was taken ahead of Talia?
Secondly, did you know that Hartlett was susceptible to soft tissue injury before he was drafted?
Are you glad we held out for Watson, McCarthy & Mitchell?

Did you know that Hartlett, Edwards and Flint were not going to make the grade when we selected talls back then?
What about the other talls selected in the past? Did you hate WH at the time Mclaren, Cloke, Saddington, Ackland were selected?
There's more that failed too....at Carlton...and every other footy club in the AFL.

It's not an exact science.
I would firstly do my due diligence and compare what other teams' recruitment people did in the same period as WH.
There wasn't class to select whilst we were still selecting under the duress of sanctions etc.

I'm just glad we are where we are and haven't jeopardised a flag in the meantime, because that's what it's all about.
No way have lost our way because of the talls WH did and diddn't select whilst he's been with Carlton.

I'm rapt with the list we have compiled since 2005 when the sanctions were lifted; we're not the GC Suns.
We're better.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:04 am 
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I think he forgot to put in :grin: or :donk:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:34 am 
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isdonis.george wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
I think JohnM is on the money. Great to have these kids at the club and really hope they are all stars. We are really due for a national draft where we turn up more than a couple of players. But at this stage they are just names. Be great if one or two were stars and the others solid citizens in the firsts, history suggests that is wildly optimistic, but hope it happens and in a few years we will know.

JohnM says if you enjoy draft day you're stupid...

Grinch.


Sigh...


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:53 pm 
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the addition of the sakc was brilliant :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:29 pm 
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There's still a rookie draft to come, so I figure we'll be looking at mids and possibly a project ruck - overall our list is starting to show balance in terms of types, depth, skill, grunt, etc. Now for the development, games, team bonding, and a bit of luck with injuries.

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