I would - and not just for the potential f/s - think its worthwhile to have depth up forward until we develop a couple more players in that position that are capable of stepping right into the team (ie casboult+potential draftees)

This issue with Fish is not that we have delisted him, it is more that he was deemed worthy of a single game, where he was full forward in a side that was creamed. Hard to understand that he was worthy of one game but didn't get two. If you are worthy of a game you need two to find your feet especially if you play in a game where the side is creamed. There is actually some sentiment in footy, it is what holds clubs together. I don't think he should have been given another year, but I do think he should have been given another game, regardless of how many he was sitting on but also because of how many he was sitting on. Last season it should have been no games or two.

The other delistings again confirm our lack of success with picks in the ND beyond the first round. Hopefully, some time we will have a draft that will produce 3 or 4 good players and not a first rounder and possibly one other.

Also why are posters wanting Dowler and Muston. Players who aren't good enough to get a game in a side that has done no better than us the last two years aren't going to take us forward. We need guys who are senior players.

The club got it right with those delistings.....

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The Delisting's should not suprise anybody!!! (that have seen these guys play this year). The only player who could be considered untried would be Rhys O'Keefe, it would not suprise me to see him pop up as a Rookie. The rest of the senior players have not come on or have reached there potential. I dont worry to much about Rookie delisting's, clubs will turn over Rookie list's to trying and find gems. No point holding on to them if you dont think they are going to make it

After round 22 against the Hawks in 2008 I wanted to get rid of Cloke and Fisher because they could not defend in the forwardline because the game got too fast for them.

Fast foward to 2010 and Fisher is still on our list.

In a post after round 15 when we got smacked by the Doggies (nah,,,we got smashed) I was looking forward and looking at an opportunity to play Fisher in 2 games to get him to 100....as a good gesture and message to the young group, because he was playing well, had a great pre season, because of the FS 100 gamme rule and because of our injury list at the time (White, Kreuzer, Austin, McLean, Lucas, Houlihan etc)...plus Fishers form warranted selection.

The 2 obvious games to play him were the 2 games we would most likely lose given our injury and form issues: Collingwood and Geelong.

Fisher was selected against the Pies and we got smashed by 10 goals and that was the end of Fisher. He could have and should have been selected against the Cats after his big haul of goals in the Ants, but nah, only 1 change because of the team being labelled 'soft' by Ratts, Walker OUT and Fisher IN. I bet Ratts lost a lot of people and players that day.

I expected Fisher to be delisted, but don't give me the shit that Fisher wasn't sederved of one more game when our team was playing like a bunch of woosies and when we were up against the Mighty Cats who were in top form and Fisher kicks a Baggaroony.

Ratts had his opportunity.
Ratts thought he might look tough and solid by not picking him...imo
Ratts can wear the consequences.

Tell me..any poster...that there was no room for Fisher to play 1 more game in the last 7 rounds to get him to 100, and I'll tell you that you haven't got a heart, a view to the future (investing in FS) and the value of a good news Carlton story....and you can go and get [REDACTED] too.

I'm glad he's delisted, but I know the club could have made a better effort to let him play 1 more game.

That's all.

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I'm not sure how long we've kept guys on the list in previous years, but quite a few of the "shot" players seemed quite young.

Looks like we won't just keep players for the sake of it, probably not a bad message to send young players. Might instill a sense of urgency into a few of them.

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[quote="gerry atric"]This issue with Fish is not that we have delisted him, it is more that he was deemed worthy of a single game, where he was full forward in a side that was creamed. Hard to understand that he was worthy of one game but didn't get two. If you are worthy of a game you need two to find your feet especially if you play in a game where the side is creamed. There is actually some sentiment in footy, it is what holds clubs together. I don't think he should have been given another year, but I do think he should have been given another game, regardless of how many he was sitting on but also because of how many he was sitting on. Last season it should have been no games or two.
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You've got it!

There is sentiment in footy...and good news stories for any club hold value...let alone FS opportunity.

Like I said I wanted Fisher gone at the end of 2008, but now, I'm going to have a grin the day the axe falls on Ratts....and call it karma.

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No problem with any of the delistings, though O'Keeffe is probably unlucky given that he was barely able to get on the park.

I can see both sides to the "should we have got Fisher to 100 games" argument. I just think that we could have brought him in for the Richmond game in Round 20. We could have organised for a couple of posters on here to line up for us on that day and we'd probably still have won. So that was our chance and we didn't take it.

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so the club didnt get the memo that anderson just signed a 2 year contract?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Yeah, I understand the reasons, and especially in the context of run in to our finals campaign etc. I just wish he could have got the small reward the 100 games would have offered him. He seems like a good guy and was a good honest servant for us during some dark times. Great value at pick 72, though.

I certainly don't think it is a decision that will haunt Ratten at all. As you say, that's footy.

However, as Neale Daniher once said, footy sucks sometimes.

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Positive moves by the club.
Thanks to all the players but this is a business and we must leave no stone unturned in our quest to get to #17. This sort of ruthlessness and singlemindedness is what is going to get us there..

I hate the term list cloggers.

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Excuse me, I need to vent.

We're talking about a group of guys who go through a lot of ups and downs together.
Fish's team mates would have seen him go through serious injury after serious injury with his thin frame and fight through them to get back on the park and in the seniors.
He had his deficiencies, no doubt, but he had super courage in the way he played, plucking marks out of the toughest marking contests you get.
I have no doubt Fish would've had great respect from his team mates.
Yes, most of us realised this year was probably going to be his last but to strand him, a guy who has put his body through hell and gained great respect from his team mates, on 99 games is a cold and unnecessary act. He deserved the 100th after he kicked 10 for the ants.
I wonder how his mates feel about it?
I fully understand any of our players who in the future look to shop themselves around for the best deal when they see things like this eventuate.

Ratten will be on 96 games as senior coach at the end of H&A season 2011.

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Gary Lyon invented it a few years back. Now it's considered a "technical" term.

It's tough for those who have to go. Maybe one might get re-listed as a rookie.

bet you a lot of them would have no idea how many games fisher has played

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Nah i deleted the memo before it arrived at Visy Park

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I bet it does haunt Ratts.100% We're talking about a very very important milestone in a persons life here. He knows that too. Right at this minute too.

On Foxtel this year David Parkin talked about decisions which have haunted him and he now regrets; leaving a bloke on 99 games would haunt David Parkin 30 years later.

I'm 100% that it will haunt Ratts. He'll never live it down.

I bet that if I met Ratts in 10 years time, like a lot of other people, would ask him if he regrets not playing Fisher for one more game which he lost anyway.

No matter how you look at it, whether its me reminding him, or a person in the media or if he does have that blood on his hands he can't wipe off (conscience), it'll be there to haunt him.

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Yep to leave a bloke strandard on 99 games is very harsh. Fisher must be feeling gutted tonight.

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Turns out Joey knows more than his uncle does
Hope he gets rookied

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