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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:31 pm 
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Maybe they will use 67 and 70 picks to bring a couple of these guys back if nothing else is available.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:31 pm 
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How many picks do we get in the draft after de-listings and elevations and do we need picks to elevate from rookie list


From that it indicates we'll use picks 18, 33, 41, 67 and 70. Which is poor list management. In an already compromised draft...why use pick 67 and 70 who in all likelihood, aren't going to be any better than a kid who you've let go after 2-3 years in the system. Very strange IMO.


Maybe looking at a couple of mature agers that they think might provide better immediate depth than what we already have??


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:32 pm 
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Pick 70 ... Beau Dowler/Muston

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:32 pm 
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Because on of those pics will be used on an older player.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:35 pm 
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O'Keefe is the one I'm most disappointed with, but if the fitness crew believe he'll never shake his niggles it might be for the best.

Sucks for Fisher to be stuck on 99 games, but the time for this club to pussyfoot around and cradle egos has to end. If the guy's not up to it anymore, move him on.

I had high hopes for Browne when we drafted him, but he hasn't done enough to warrant a spot. I'd expect him to go back to the WAFL and dominate ala Blackwell. Joe has his supporters, and has had ample opportunity, but isn't up to it.

The others are pretty straightforward.

I don't expect any of these guys to get picked up anywhere else, which I hope would give pause to those who will whinge at these decisions.

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A bit upset that we stranded Fisher on 99 games. :|


I'm sure this will haunt Ratten for the rest of his life.

Just a stupid decision by all associated with the decision.

Karma will bite them in the bum.

Why give games to a guy who isn't good enough? Worse still, why keep a guy on the list for another season just to get his name on a locker?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:37 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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A bit upset that we stranded Fisher on 99 games. :|


I'm sure this will haunt Ratten for the rest of his life.

Just a stupid decision by all associated with the decision.

Karma will bite them in the bum.


Couldn't disagree more. While it would be great if Fisher could have got to 100 games, it should have zero impact on the decision of whether or not to keep him on the list. Doing so just to get him to 100 games is the kind of compromised decision making that prevents ultimate success.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:38 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
How many picks do we get in the draft after de-listings and elevations and do we need picks to elevate from rookie list


From that it indicates we'll use picks 18, 33, 41, 67 and 70. Which is poor list management. In an already compromised draft...why use pick 67 and 70 who in all likelihood, aren't going to be any better than a kid who you've let go after 2-3 years in the system. Very strange IMO.


Not sure I agree with that logic. There have been a ton of very good players come out of the rookie drafts (ie. very low picks). If the club have made a decision that the delisted blokes aren't going to be regular AFL footballers, why not take a punt that we might unearth the next Betts, Rutten, Sandilands or Sewell?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:39 pm 
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I believe Brad Fisher's son is going to be a star.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:42 pm 
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Our old pal Blueinblood believes we'll rookie ROK

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Will be back on our rookie list. Pre-Listed after ND and PSD.


I hope this is the case. This guy has something no-one else on our list has, and would be a crucial part of the team if he can his fitness right.

He also believes we'll draft a couple of 'experienced' players in the draft
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While the delistings werent suprises, alot of our 'depth' has really gone out the window. We will be drafting one if not two older more seasoned players.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:43 pm 
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Apart from Fisher not reaching 100, I am not surprised with the delistings; not one.

I felt for Doc Sherrin with ROK (but he may be rookied)
I felt for CJ69/psych with Browne (I hope pick 67, 70, 87 are better than what Browny offers)

With regards to the above, and the battles I've had in the past, I'm glad my boys Armfield (vs Browne) and Cachia (vs OKeefe) have been retained. :wink: ...but I told yu didn't I?
Just stirring you boys up a bit. I do feel for you.

No surprises. I like ROK and Donaldson (especially) to be rookied and wouldn't be surprised. Maybe even Anderson, but doubt it.
I'm expecting the Blues to take the mature players path because we still have a young list...there's got to be another Barlow, Pods or White out there.

Perhaps a surprise FB or CHB beckons.

Fingers crossed.

Honestly couldn't see Tiller being any better than the Raso pick we took back in 2005...a long shot.
On that subject, it's incredible how our selectors believe and sell us these speculative picks such that they would be first rounders the next year. Well that line is not going to be too convincing in the future.

Pressure is on for those on the 2011 list.
3 have to go, whether delisted, traded retired.
There's real pressure on every player on the list in 2011.

Apart from the Fisher issue, I have a lot of respect for the balls the club has shown since they decided to get rid of Fevola.

If they aren't going to compete for a spot in our next premiership, then see ya.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:44 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
A bit upset that we stranded Fisher on 99 games. :|


agree - can understand the clubs decision but disappointing nevertheless...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:48 pm 
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No guarantee on O'Keefe getting to our first rookie pick is their?


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great work blueboys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:50 pm 
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Would be very suprised if O'Keefe doesn't get Rookied

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Kyle Hartigan, Myles Sewell, Isaac Smith, Steve Clifton, Mitch Thorpe, Beau Dowler, Beau Muston...

All names I would welcome onto the list at pick 67/70...

Might take pick 41 to nab Isaac.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:55 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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A bit upset that we stranded Fisher on 99 games. :|


I'm sure this will haunt Ratten for the rest of his life.

Just a stupid decision by all associated with the decision.

Karma will bite them in the bum.


Couldn't disagree more. While it would be great if Fisher could have got to 100 games, it should have zero impact on the decision of whether or not to keep him on the list. Doing so just to get him to 100 games is the kind of compromised decision making that prevents ultimate success.


Depends really - dont think fisher could have done much more this season - good preseason and came back strongly from a knee reco. Would have played 100 games otherwise and would have deserved it as well. A potential f/s in the future would be a bonus - a bit of long term planning could potentially go a long way. He certainly wasnt the worst player in the one game he played this year and imo had he not done his knee preseason would have offered just as much as setanta in the forward line this season (ie rarely outmarked, approx 2 goals/game).


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:55 pm 
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Just on Brad Fisher- I know there are many of us into the 'romance' side of footy, and we all would have loved to see him get to 100 games. The club were in a position in 2010, especially towards the end of the year, where we couldn't afford to be giving out games based on charity. That's how it's going to be from here on in too if we're to win a premiership any time soon.

It's a shame but that's footy, or at least that's how serious footy clubs work. It's good to see the club didn't cave on the matter.

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Rafalution wrote:
No guarantee on O'Keefe getting to our first rookie pick is their?


Isn't there something about us being able to nominate him for our rookie list?


Sad to see all those guys go, I hate delisting time. Especially Joey, of course the Cazzes have a personal interest in his future.

good luck to them all, hope they can put the disappointment aside and remember that there are other clubs out there. Of course, that means they won't have the pleasure of winning a premiership with the might Blues, but hey...they can't all be winners! :grin:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:02 pm 
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Mrs Caz wrote:
Rafalution wrote:
No guarantee on O'Keefe getting to our first rookie pick is their?


Isn't there something about us being able to nominate him for our rookie list?

iirc, we can pre-rookie list him but he has to go through ND and PSD - if he doesnt get picked up then he goes to us with our last rookie pick. Thats to prevent clubs abusing the system (ie keeping players on rookie lists just b/c they can) and provide players with opportunities if they are available elsewhere. Think we did that with jacobs as well when we wanted to re-rookie him after his initial 2 yr period.


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4thchicken wrote:
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Couldn't disagree more. While it would be great if Fisher could have got to 100 games, it should have zero impact on the decision of whether or not to keep him on the list. Doing so just to get him to 100 games is the kind of compromised decision making that prevents ultimate success.


Depends really - dont think fisher could have done much more this season - good preseason and came back strongly from a knee reco. Would have played 100 games otherwise and would have deserved it as well. A potential f/s in the future would be a bonus - a bit of long term planning could potentially go a long way. He certainly wasnt the worst player in the one game he played this year and imo had he not done his knee preseason would have offered just as much as setanta in the forward line this season (ie rarely outmarked, approx 2 goals/game).



Not arguing his worth of being on the list, although my personal opinion is that it's time to move forward without him. Simply saying that if the Club has decided that he should not be on the list for football reasons, then we shouldn't keep him on just so he can get to 100 games.

Although I've seen his girlfriend, who is pushing 6 foot tall...so maybe we should give him another game ;) Rookie list????

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