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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:45 am 
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What's your point. Isn't Ratts permitted an opinion? Maybe he thought a younger guy like Barker might have more get up and go than Laidley. Maybe he thought Laidley might just be getting a pay cheque and going through the motions. Unless you have any facts about the decision making process then you are just throwing mud and hoping something sticks.


Just stating what happened because a fair proportion of people didnt know... Some on here I'm sure would agree it is interesting information. You're welcome not to view it in that light.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:45 am 
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Stamos wrote:
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On the other hand, I am very happy that we have looked outside the Club, and for coaches with experience at clubs with successful people. Richardson, Brown and Barker cover Collingwood, St Kilda and Hawthorn at times when they have been there or there abouts. A far cry from Lappin, Montgomery and Harvey, who had no experience at all as coaches before joining.


Montgomery had experience when he came to Carlton.


- retired on 25 May 2007
- was special comments for ABC radio for the remainder of 2007
- in 2008, joined Carlton as an assistant
- had no prior experience as an assistant coach

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:07 am 
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:yikes: Going to be some unhappy people around here...


My Dawks mate reckons he was very ordinary there, and blames him for most of their Fwd line structural problems the last two years :cry:

Hope he's wrong :eek:
My teacher told me you learn from making mistakes :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:50 am 
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We spoke about how vital it was to get our line coaches right, and I reckon we've done OK. Richardson was a huge get, Brown was the 6th or 7th banana at the Pies but has some essential IP.. Barker is a bit meh.. I still think we're light on for real tactical expertise. We have some holes in our list (if anything this has been exacerbated with the loss of 2 strong bodied mids) and i really think its vital we get someone in to devise a scheme to adequately address our deficiencies, not merely play to our strengths. That's where I thought Laidley would have been very nice. We've witnessed first hand his work with a crap list at North-- I reckon if you give him more untapped talent to work with he could have done wonders.


Have we really witnessed Laidley succeed in his previous roles at Port and North? I don't think its so clear to see. In fact there are probably more arguments to suggest otherwise.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:02 pm 
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Wonder how Laidely would be spoken about on this site if he coached us for 7 years and took us to 10th, 10th, 7th, 14th, 3rd, 8th and 13th?

Just puttin' it out there....


Exactly what I was thinking too.

Just people pushing agendas as per usual.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:07 pm 
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Why the subtle and not so subtle mud slinging at Laidley? I don't get it. Is it just a tactic to shore up the pro-Ratten argument?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:08 pm 
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Why the subtle and not so subtle mud slinging at Laidley? I don't get it.


Have you read the last 5 pages of the thread?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:23 pm 
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Isn't it logical to think that if Ratten is given input into who he would like on his coaching staff that he would choose the people he believes are best placed to produce positive results ie.wins. The more wins Ratts has on the board the harder he would be to dislodge from his role as Senior Coach. To choose otherwise would mean he would be sabotaging his own success and career and that just wouldn't make any sense.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:26 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Why the subtle and not so subtle mud slinging at Laidley? I don't get it. Is it just a tactic to shore up the pro-Ratten argument?


I think some in this thread are trying to get us to believe that Ratts didnt want Laidley because he would be threatened by him being such genius. Others are pointing out that Laidley is not the ants pants in coaching and Ratts has every right to chose his coaching team. He knows his career hangs on this season and wants every opportunity to prove he is up to it. He is taking on the challenge not running from it. If he thought Laidley was going to help the cause and help us get the desired result this coming season i am sure he would have taken him on.

It would make no sense for Ratten to not take him on if he thought he would help us win more games. Ratts would be shooting himself in the foot.

Ratts, Riley, Richardon, Brown, Barker is a top notch coaching line up. We should all support it and give it every chance to succeed.

I am looking forward to 2011.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:42 pm 
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DLC wrote:
Isn't it logical to think that if Ratten is given input into who he would like on his coaching staff that he would choose the people he believes are best placed to produce positive results ie.wins. The more wins Ratts has on the board the harder he would be to dislodge from his role as Senior Coach. To choose otherwise would mean he would be sabotaging his own success and career and that just wouldn't make any sense.


I fully support the theory that if Ratts is to continue in his position as 'senior' coach he must have substantial input into the appointment of his assistants.
However, the (many) reasons why Ratts prefers one assistant over another, will only ever be truly known by himself. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:49 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
From what I understand, Ratten was given the choice to work with either Laidley or Barker and he went Barker...


Not my information JK...far from it in fact. Careful how you use your propaganda. People on here are for the most part gullible and will believe everything you post.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:55 pm 
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kennyhunters mail is the only mail that should be believed..... !


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:04 pm 
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I remember this time last year not everyone was happy with the signing of Capuano. Look now :clap:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:36 pm 
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Not my information JK...far from it in fact. Careful how you use your propaganda. People on here are for the most part gullible and will believe everything you post.


Ratten wanted Barker. Ratten didnt want Laidley despite getting nudges from our football manager and CEO. I'm happy to take up your challenge on that point.
My contention is our line coaches are good, but I would love a real tactical expert in there. As far as game strategists are concerned, Laidley is highly regarded. This was also an area we fell well and truly short in on a number of ocassions throughout 2010.

PS- thanks for the warning... it's a shame you don't dig a bit deeper around your 'sources' and see not all things are as rosy as you are so willing to paint.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:08 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:14 pm 
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Where are you getting your information Josh?

Without evidence this is all just conspiracy theory. A neat little scenario that justifies all your prejudice against Ratten.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:16 pm 
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There's so many guys on the board there's bound to be one or two who don't see things going their way. Normal stuff to have different agendas.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:18 pm 
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I don't know why we need a character assassination of Ratten.
I don't think there was a player who was in higher regard for character and commitment to the team.

Suddenly he's become a shifty, selfish plotter who is trying to assemble a weak team of coaches to promote himself.

If you don't like his coaching, fine.

But don't attack the man's character.

I'll back his love for the club and integrity over anyone here.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:30 pm 
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Agree with Buzzaaaahhhh..... We could do with a better senior coach but Ratts is an A-grade top bloke and doesn't deserve the vitriol dished out at him.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:42 pm 
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and lets consider mix.......as much as each individual........i want a coaching team that is strong and united.

the mix is different which is a terrific positive, because we need to make changes in order to continue our rise.

with the exception of Mark R, each of them demonstrated plenty of mongrel in their playing careers (exception being MR) - if we are to use that as any guide we now have a coaching box that i would imagine is super competitive and will not mind an opinion.

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