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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:49 pm 
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Robbo - Wheel him in on the Hannibal Lecter trolly and face mask and sit him on the boundary. Unleash him in the second half :twisted:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:10 pm 
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I would use it as a chance to give game time to our young players who are starting to cement themselves into the 22, but cannot run out a full game week in, week out .........


Think about it, how many times was Robbo dropped this year, not primarily due to form but because he got exhausted after a couple of games ??? Playing a 1st/2nd/3rd yr player as the sub will give them valuable game time, but also a rest so they can recover between games better.


For next year I would look at using Lucas/Robinson/Yarran as our subs, rotating 2 in the starting line up and the 3rd as the sub between games. This will give them x2 full games and a half game as the sub in any 3 game period, preventing burn out and giving them game experience.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:17 pm 
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It mostly depends on how they view the sub. Do they hold off on using him until the last quarter in case of injury, or are they open to players only getting a half?

With the former, you'd want a real burst player. With the latter, it's just your 22nd best player.

We're kind of lucky that we have options. For instance, if a defender is injured, you move Waite back. If a forward is injured, you can put Walker down there. If a mid goes, Garlett / Betts / Yarran get more time in the middle. If a ruckman goes down... it depends on who you're playing, but we'll most likely play 2 proper rucks anyways due to their versatility.

We have players who can play in different positions as it is, so you don't necessarily need the sub to be a utility player.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:47 pm 
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If Murphy gets injured and you bring on Setanta as a sub, it will unbalance the team.

If murphy gets injured and Lucas comes on, you'll be able to adapt.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:51 pm 
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Alternatively, if Setanta comes on, Bower takes a medium forward and Russell/Armfield/Joseph goes to midfield?

There are enough options either way. The trick is to use it for players who'd only expect around 50% game time, for whatever reason. Lucas is fit enough to play out whole games, would prefer him in the main 21.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:59 pm 
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This is the most flower up rule ever introduced.

If u want to cap interchanges do that, this is just plain dumb.

Many are prediciting the rule won't last, but clubs are taking it into list consideration.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:05 pm 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:
This is the most flower up rule ever introduced.

If u want to cap interchanges do that, this is just plain dumb.

Many are prediciting the rule won't last, but clubs are taking it into list consideration.


Agreed

I don't see the need for it...just cap it like you say. Coaches will always keep a few IC moves up their sleeve in case of injury.

I remember the days of the 19th and 20th man when they weren't even used until 5 mins to go.
What a waste of time for everyone.

The dreaded sub position.
Perhaps the most slected sub will be asking for more opportunity at another club at the end of the year, knowing they are in the best 22.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:08 pm 
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The sub doesn't need to directly replace the injured player. We will still have 3 rotating interchange players. You wouldn't want to use your substitute player early b/c an injury will leave the side down to 20 players. But, you would definitely bring him on in the final quarter.

The rule effectively reduces the bench to 3 players for 3 quarters. All this talk of 'taking out the 2nd ruckman' is rubbish.
If you have 2 good ruckmen, you'll still play them & rotate with the other 3 or through the forward line. We are lucky here with both Kreuzer & Hampson, and Warnock for that matter who can all run and can all play forward.
(I would even be happy playing Kreuzer out of the centre square as a ruck rover, like Goodes...)

If there are changes to the 2nd ruckman, it will have a lot more to do with the successful Collingwood 'Leigh Brown' model than it will to do with new sub rule.

BUT, we are very well placed to handle any unforeseen circumstances, whether it be injury or more tactical b/c we have several players who can play multiple roles.... Waite, Walker, Kreuzer, Bower, Houlihan, Gibbs, Setanta etc...
(And Swan will find it a bit harder to play 'funny buggers' with the interchange bench!)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:33 pm 
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In effect the sub is first emergency, the Joey Anderson position.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:28 pm 
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Eddie

bring him on in the last quarter when cheap goals are required :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :grin:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:44 pm 
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Eddie

bring him on in the last quarter when cheap goals are required :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :grin:


Just posted that in my best 22 summary. Junk time specialist who does his best work after midnight, last ten minutes or last chance lotto.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:36 pm 
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Play Judd as the super sub all season just to see if he would still win the brownlow....

How did that work out for Dane Swan? :smoking:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:03 pm 
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Our Teddy should have been a player like Bannister

Could play as a floater at both ends.

Could only suspect that this player will be between 185-190 and can play most positions.

Will need to be good enough to slot straight in, don't forget this player can then go to the bench as well.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:04 am 
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My son has a t-shirt from the US with the word SUPER above a sub sandwich.
The AFL should get 17 of these over.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:19 pm 
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I think the super sub must be capable of playing down back on ball and up forward. and be able to step straight into the role Given that I think Scotland may be our best Sub. With Kreuzer and Warnock in the team we have coverage in the ruck and with Henderson Waite Bower Jamieson and perhaps one more KPP we should have coverage there so it is injures to onballers half backs or half forwards that we would need to cover. Scotland has shown he can play all those roles with discipline and unlike some of our other players and younger guys doesn't need time to step into a role.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:28 pm 
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O'Keeffe might get his introduction to seniors via this path.

Smooth way to introduce new players to games after the sting has gone out without limiting your rotations. Will be fascinating to see each coach's strategy.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:42 pm 
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LosAzules wrote:
O'Keeffe might get his introduction to seniors via this path.

Smooth way to introduce new players to games after the sting has gone out without limiting your rotations. Will be fascinating to see each coach's strategy.


It's a reality, so your view is a good one to adopt for me too. :thumbsup:
I've been struggling with the new rule. @#$%&! it.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:36 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
If Murphy gets injured and you bring on Setanta as a sub, it will unbalance the team.

If murphy gets injured and Lucas comes on, you'll be able to adapt.


Not really

Murphy goes off we just add a few of Joseph, Garlett, Betts, Robinson, Walker, Russell ect. to the midfield rotations. Setanta goes to the end he is needed most and the setup is rejigged accordingly (either Waite->Wing/HB, Jamo-> Small Forward ect.) Weaker but usable

The only thing that really hurts (in terms of only 1 player going down) is if a Key position or ruck goes down, which Setanta fits perfectly.. obviously Thornton can do this too..

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:42 pm 
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DAFT RULE!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:21 am 
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It shouldnt be the same player each week.

Doesnt need to be a specific type aas you re-jig the lineup anyway, same way you would now if there's an injury.

It'll be a player from 20-30 on the list, not one of your better players.

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