So there is no logic in your argument, you are just guessing. CASE DISMISSED.

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Lets just have a look at picks, say 11-25 for Carlton in the past 8 seasons.

2002: N/A
2003: N/A
2004: 25: Adam Hartlett: Dud
2005: 20: Paul Bower - good pick up
2006: 17: Shaun Hampson - Jury is still out, but I'd say a good pick up as is a ruck and will take time. 19: Grigg: there are some players above worse, some below better
2007: N/A
2008: N/A
2009: 12: Kane Lucas - Will be a gun

So i'd say it's a bit rich to suggest we can't pick in that range when in reality we HAVEN'T really picked from that range, and like any other club we have had varying success..

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Just watched the Collingwood fringe players run out on the ground and looked genuinely excited with the win. Our fringe players crack the sooks and asked to be traded.

QFT.

We have too many cry baby whiners.

Yeah, but this is all the club and coach's fault. Haven't you guys been reading the experts' opinions?

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Yeah - our fringe players would be really shitty if they won a flag.

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lets stick to the topic of the thread ie what is behind players wanting to leave

sure we could have made better decisions, but the past is the past.

as we move forward, the bar has to be raised. if grigg, thornton, walker want to pursue options elsewhere they don't want in.

If the reports are true ie pursuing an interest in the bulldogs, tigers or adelaide then there aspirations are not necessarily motivated by premierships. we have as much chance as the three clubs mentioned.

they clearly dont buy into what we ARE building.....who cares....lets get talent that does and talent that will contribute

hhaahhah kezza are you serious. You use the collingwood fringe players running out on GRAND FINAL day as your comparison. Honestly...

Do you not understand that you are saying our FRINGE PLAYERS are leaving...FRINGE! Meaning they are not really in our best 22 and are taking up deals where they get more money, years and opportunity so whats the problem

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I reckon with GC and GWS coming in plus free agency it will be a lot harder to create depth in the squad....better to go via the draft and not re treads but at the same time we need the best guys off field assessing the strengths and weaknesses of each and every player on our list and tacticians around Ratts developing a game plan that best suits the squad....

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I think he means the collingwood guys who didn't make the 22... They were out on the ground after the game.

If u got something against Hampson why don't u just come out and say it

You're kidding aren't you
Bower is a serviceable foot soldier at best with poor decision making. Ditto Grigg
Hampson is still a project player 4 years in. Given that the average career of an AFL footballer is about 5-8 years, he's on borrowed time regardless of his current age
Lucas is good
What about Brock at pick 11. What a f#$%ing disastrous pick that was.
Iknow he was a top 10 pick but the jury is still out on Yarran. Will hopefully come good but doesn't inspire me with confidence right now

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who can' kick either

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You're a disaster and a sniper on here.

If you think Yarran won't be a star, go hang a Blair, Goldsack, Macaffer, Toovey, Wellingham, Johnson and Leigh Brown poster above your bed because they play a role.

Hampson?
Too crypic for me .

i am talking about the fringe players who didnt get a game running out onto the ground at the end. Lets see how many of them ask to be traded.

I actually didn't think Leon looked that happy.

Josh Fraser looked shattered

No need to make it personal
If you think the Brock trade will work out...fantastic. I don't
If you are certain that Yarran will be a star....fantastic. I hope so but am not as confident

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I've never had rose coloured glasses and I think a few supporters need to throw theirs away. From 2004 when we were back in the draft and the worst side in the League with plenty of high draft picks to prove it we needed to do everything right to get to the top. We needed to draft better than everyone else - we've done okay but apart from te top picks and Simmo- not too many diamonds in the rough, certainly less than some clubs and no more than most. Certainly Collingwood who are the best have drafted better than us with lesser picks than us. We tried desperately to appoint Michael Voss, who has led the Lions to oblivion, and then appointed an inexperienced mate who happened to be at the club at the time. Is Ratts the best coach in the league, the second best, the fifth best, tenth best? He ain't the best and that's what we needed. Currently he has no assistants. Is that because the best people were picked to support him? Is Sticks the best Pres in the league? Joking. The one wonderful we have done is recruited Judd. Without him we wouldn't have finished higher than tenth.

And really the old chesnut about retrospective drafting whenever anyone questions the clubs decisions, is pretty lame. Yes drafting is easy in retrospect, but we didn't need to be perfect, we needed to be better than evryone else, or than almost everyone else. Have we been? We have got good players with the number one picks - big deal, of course we will. What about picks outside the first round?
We are destined for a long drought and a grim future unless we improve in all areas. What strategies do we have to build our support to C'wood levels?

We have had our big go at the draft and it will determine our capacity to win a flag while we have Judd. I feel very pessimistic.