I cannot get excited by the Essendon* appointments.
Senior coach with no experience signed for 4 years at high cash, surrounded by former teammates (Wallis, Wellman etc.) or coaching beginners... sounds like the sort of thing that, if we did the same, people would be calling for state-sanctioned executions.

Yep true enough. Where is the difference between Sticks being a mate of Ratts and Hirdy being best mate of the Evans.

Regards Cazzesman

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You made your point Cazz. Is there really a need for the chest beating, smart arse epilogue?

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Hello Agro and welcome back to TC


Now just on Paul Roos - He is not as good as everyone thinks he is - He took over a list that was put together by Eade and basically topped up every year he was there- Sure he won a flag and got them to another and was also in the finals most years - But to me he was a junoir version of Pagan- developed a game plan to suit a small ground - recruited players with bigger bodies - ( Try find anyone other than Jack who has developed under him) has the advantage of 12 home games each year and for the best part of his time an additional 1.5 million on his cap


How do you reckon Ratts would go with 12 home games against interstate sides at Visy and 1.5 miilion in his back pocket

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Key difference is that Roos had the ability to make players play for him. And not through fear, but through some belief in his message of contested Bloods football and good bloke persona. Ratts has half a dozen on side including the Captain, but at Carlton I don't think we've ever had to play 'for the coach'. Playing for the jumper would suffice in my book.

Hirdy has experience........apparently coached the Prahran U9's.

On a serious note the names of Williams, Laidley, etc smack of stale coaching personnel. I'd rather try the eager and hungry young guns eg Neeld, Scott, etc

I'd be happy to get Laidley or Williams as assistants. They bring different skills. Williams is a great teacher, Laidley a good technician, which is probably something we need.
Ratten has shown an ability to learn and has improved every year. He was in the s**t this year but clawed his way out of it. I think he was genuinely struggling but found a way out. Also, the players may need to shoulder some responsibility for the their own performance in terms of intensity and understanding and executing the gameplan. All this Roos talk of getting the players to play for him, are you serious? These guys are playing bloody AFL football. On six figure pay packets. Regularly in front of 50000+ crowds baying for blood. They should be motivated, or at least professional enough, to play for each other. The Swans had some great on field leaders who realised that their greatest asset (and only way to stay in the team) was to bleed for the team. I suspect this was more of a motivator than anything Roos inspired. (Having said that, I think Roos is a great coach & I would love to have him if Ratts doesn't work out... which we will be in a much better position to know mid-2011).

Also, what crap he sound unsure of himself relative to Ross Lyon. Have you heard Ross Lyon talk to the media? He sounds as if he's about to fall asleep. His words are usually spot on but there's not that much different to Ratten. There's been plenty of times this season where Ratts has come out with exactly the same criticisms as many of us have had about our performance. The question is whether he can communicate this effectively to the players. But in the media, negligible difference to Ross Lyon.

I think there are still massive question marks over Ratts. And I thought we'd have more of an answer by now but I am still not convinced either way. He has clearly had challenges but he has risen to many of them and now has the off-season to reorganise himself and the team for a tilt at top 4 next season. But I'm also not convinced there is anyone available at the moment who would be any better than Ratten, after 3yrs at the helm and a fews years as an assistant prior to that.
2012 may be a diff story, with Malthouse, Roos and who knows who else.

As for the assistants - I reckon we'll have a better group than Essendon* within a few weeks.

I'd like to see Brenton Sanderson at Carlton but......by the sound of it; he may end up being Senior Coach at Geelong.

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I have no doubt Hird will be a quality coach. He has the acumen and experience to manage and lead people, something Voss and Ratten never had when appointed. Leading Teams? Pfft Hird has probably done this at a much more professional level, you can tell the way he presents himself, the words he uses, now he has to dumb it down to suit the playing environment.

As I said yesterday it's the dynamics of his assistants and so called mentors that will make and break his success. Surround yourself with good people and

I'm tipping Thompson in an official/unofficial capacity is Hird's mentor, which will mean Williams will be the 2IC only.

Only if you have SEN on speed dial.

Regards Cazzesman

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Leigh Matthews and David Parkin might beg to differ if you have listened to anything they have said about Voss and Ratts in their playing days.

Regards Cazzesman

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We will get a top notch coaching team together. It might not have the "bring the boys home" feelgood feel of the bombers but it will be a focused unit with experience, fresh ideas ,methods and goals.

I am looking forward to 2011.

If Ratten feels too insecure to bring in a big name experienced coach in to help - it's a problem
If Ratten feels too insecure to bring in highly rated assistants - it's a problem
If potential applicants don't rate Ratts - it's a problem
If potential applicants feel the footy dept is dysfunctional or behind the times - it's a problem
If we're having to fill the box with coaches that have been let go by their previous employer - it's a problem
If Greg Swann isn't involved in the process or even informed about assistant coaches being sacked - I think that's a problem

I have no great knowledge of coaching, but the "optics" aren't great.

Barker has been a scapegoat on the Hawthorn BF board this year and been given the arse. That's hardly conclusive evidence of anything, but it's all I know about Barker the coach, and it isn't glowing. Fans are left with what we see on the field and the rest is reading the tea leaves and trying to discern patterns to get a view on how a coaching staff is going.

You've made a valid point SB. Besides, when was the last time Paul Roos took a contested mark????????????

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Evans is an infinitely more astute and credentialled businessman than Kernahan is one difference

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The biggest problem we have is that Ratten will not coach CFC beyond 2011.
The football world knows this. Why would you put your hand up and come to CFC for what may be an unstable year, especially with Melb, Adel and NM breathing up our arses. Look at Essendon*'s injury list this year and you can add them as well. The Light FM listeners on TC will tell you that it will just magically work out. Our 17th premiership will be conceived immaculately. We just have to give it time. After all, we've come from a long way back.

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I would think Sticks was an infinitely more astute and credentialed footballer. When deciding football matters I know which I'd prefer.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

All the more reason to question the wisdom of signing Ratten up until the end of next year.
If he finished this year.. boy would it have been decision time.
Now we're stuck in a holding pattern off the field.. much like we are on it.

and there lies our dilemma and challenge to attract quality assistant coaches.

Excuse my ignorance, do we really know
that Ratten won't coach beyond 2011.
Source? Or is purely a hunch or sense
of many on TC?