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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:03 pm 
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BV it is also akin to judging recruits from 5 minutes on youtube. 5 mins of ABC TV footage is hardly enough to grasp if Teague can speak English let alone judge him as a Coach.

Teague has 3 years experience and Fitzgerald has 20 yrs +.

Regards Cazzesman

This is a question of whether we should hire him now, not whether he will be good enough in time. I think we shouldn't, and I'm outlining why I believe that to be the case.

The addresses simply reinforce what I observe in match play. So Cazz, BV: do you think we should hire David Teague as an assistant coach?


I have no idea. I can't make an informed decision because I don't know what Teaguey brings to the table or who he is up against for the job.

I do know that those making the decision will have far more factual information than anyone here on TC.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:38 pm 
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I do know that those making the decision will have far more factual information than anyone here on TC.

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Absolutely. But we're all here to speculate, share our opinions and discuss. Describing someone as an inferior candidate for the job is not the same as denigrating their worth as a human being. I'd prefer not to be taken to task when I am clearly doing the former.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:41 pm 
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I hope people aren't underestimating how important this off-season is for our club, particularly in regards to the make- up of our coaching department. Astute line coaches are hugely influential in the structure of a modern AFL side. While there remains pointed question marks over Ratten's ability to adequately structure our side to compete against the best, our appointments this summer have massive implications for our side in 2011 and beyond.

Personally, I feel it is essential guys like Mark Neeld, Dean Laidley, Sos, Todd Viney, and Sanderson are spoken to. There is some essential IP pouring out of those guys, and we need to get hold of it. We should avoid the 'short cuts' of appointing more than 1 recently retired player, because we cannot afford to have both the head coach and the assistants learning on the job. While the club might deem them cheaper than more experienced assistants, if ever there was a time for us to spend money- this is it.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:54 pm 
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I totally concur with your thoughts here JK.
We must do our due diligence and get the best in.
We must keep moving forward with the times and with the other 'big' clubs. Otherwise, we will remain in the pack.
I just fear the worst! But thats just my negativity coming to the forefront after years of disappointment.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:04 pm 
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I'm pleased with the restructuring of our coaching panel.

Get some fresh minds in there but please can we have experienced minds?

The best people for the job not the people who might be best to develop into the role.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:15 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
I hope people aren't underestimating how important this off-season is for our club, particularly in regards to the make- up of our coaching department. Astute line coaches are hugely influential in the structure of a modern AFL side. While there remains pointed question marks over Ratten's ability to adequately structure our side to compete against the best, our appointments this summer have massive implications for our side in 2011 and beyond.

Personally, I feel it is essential guys like Mark Neeld, Dean Laidley, Sos, Todd Viney, and Sanderson are spoken to. There is some essential IP pouring out of those guys, and we need to get hold of it. We should avoid the 'short cuts' of appointing more than 1 recently retired player, because we cannot afford to have both the head coach and the assistants learning on the job. While the club might deem them cheaper than more experienced assistants, if ever there was a time for us to spend money- this is it.


Nice post Josh...agree wholeheartedly.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:18 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
I hope people aren't underestimating how important this off-season is for our club, particularly in regards to the make- up of our coaching department. Astute line coaches are hugely influential in the structure of a modern AFL side. While there remains pointed question marks over Ratten's ability to adequately structure our side to compete against the best, our appointments this summer have massive implications for our side in 2011 and beyond.

Personally, I feel it is essential guys like Mark Neeld, Dean Laidley, Sos, Todd Viney, and Sanderson are spoken to. There is some essential IP pouring out of those guys, and we need to get hold of it. We should avoid the 'short cuts' of appointing more than 1 recently retired player, because we cannot afford to have both the head coach and the assistants learning on the job. While the club might deem them cheaper than more experienced assistants, if ever there was a time for us to spend money- this is it.


Get the best Modern Day coaches money can buy. That's all there is to it.

2011 aint a year for developing coaches and a full dress rehearsal for the future. It's the real thing.
We're aiming for a top 4 spot and winning finals. We may be lucky enough to get into a GF if all the cards fall our way.
Once at the MCG for the final game of the year, we have to have everything go our way to win it.
With the right coaches under pressure cooker circumstances, it's these experienced heads that will guide our kids to glory.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:03 pm 
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Problem is though Ratts is in the last year of his contract, the best want the security of multiple year deals. If Ratts wasn't there next year you'd be worried if you were the incoming coach and had a Laidley as an assistant that you had no choice about.

Either that or massive payouts.

Won't be easy.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:12 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
I hope people aren't underestimating how important this off-season is for our club, particularly in regards to the make- up of our coaching department. Astute line coaches are hugely influential in the structure of a modern AFL side. While there remains pointed question marks over Ratten's ability to adequately structure our side to compete against the best, our appointments this summer have massive implications for our side in 2011 and beyond.

Personally, I feel it is essential guys like Mark Neeld, Dean Laidley, Sos, Todd Viney, and Sanderson are spoken to. There is some essential IP pouring out of those guys, and we need to get hold of it. We should avoid the 'short cuts' of appointing more than 1 recently retired player, because we cannot afford to have both the head coach and the assistants learning on the job. While the club might deem them cheaper than more experienced assistants, if ever there was a time for us to spend money- this is it.


Nice post Josh...agree wholeheartedly.


Ditto, very well put Josh.

Surely this wouldn't be lost on the powers that be at the club??

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:44 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
Problem is though Ratts is in the last year of his contract, the best want the security of multiple year deals. If Ratts wasn't there next year you'd be worried if you were the incoming coach and had a Laidley as an assistant that you had no choice about.

Either that or massive payouts.

Won't be easy.


Won't be easy on Ratts either. Has been a very tough year off-field for him, so he's got to weigh up the pros and cons of life as a full-time coach and what impact that has on health, wealth and relationships.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:53 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
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Problem is though Ratts is in the last year of his contract, the best want the security of multiple year deals. If Ratts wasn't there next year you'd be worried if you were the incoming coach and had a Laidley as an assistant that you had no choice about.

Either that or massive payouts.

Won't be easy.


Won't be easy on Ratts either. Has been a very tough year off-field for him, so he's got to weigh up the pros and cons of life as a full-time coach and what impact that has on health, wealth and relationships.


The issue is he will undoubtably pick wealth. Where else is he ever going to earn $500k a year?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:11 pm 
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yep good post Josh

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:36 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
I hope people aren't underestimating how important this off-season is for our club, particularly in regards to the make- up of our coaching department. Astute line coaches are hugely influential in the structure of a modern AFL side. While there remains pointed question marks over Ratten's ability to adequately structure our side to compete against the best, our appointments this summer have massive implications for our side in 2011 and beyond.

Personally, I feel it is essential guys like Mark Neeld, Dean Laidley, Sos, Todd Viney, and Sanderson are spoken to. There is some essential IP pouring out of those guys, and we need to get hold of it. We should avoid the 'short cuts' of appointing more than 1 recently retired player, because we cannot afford to have both the head coach and the assistants learning on the job. While the club might deem them cheaper than more experienced assistants, if ever there was a time for us to spend money- this is it.


This is where it all gets a bit out of whack to me.

Are we really trying to compensate for having an 'inexperienced' senior coach by hiring 'experienced' assistant coaches?

:confused:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:56 pm 
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This is where it all gets a bit out of whack to me.

Are we really trying to compensate for having an 'inexperienced' senior coach by hiring 'experienced' assistant coaches?

:confused:


Not sure Ratten can be classed inexperienced now. But with Riley as midfield coach, there's room for a overseer or tactician to help Ratts.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:59 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
I hope people aren't underestimating how important this off-season is for our club, particularly in regards to the make- up of our coaching department. Astute line coaches are hugely influential in the structure of a modern AFL side. While there remains pointed question marks over Ratten's ability to adequately structure our side to compete against the best, our appointments this summer have massive implications for our side in 2011 and beyond.

Personally, I feel it is essential guys like Mark Neeld, Dean Laidley, Sos, Todd Viney, and Sanderson are spoken to. There is some essential IP pouring out of those guys, and we need to get hold of it. We should avoid the 'short cuts' of appointing more than 1 recently retired player, because we cannot afford to have both the head coach and the assistants learning on the job. While the club might deem them cheaper than more experienced assistants, if ever there was a time for us to spend money- this is it.


Nice post Josh...agree wholeheartedly.


Agree, but I don't they are lining up to work under Ratts!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:11 am 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
I hope people aren't underestimating how important this off-season is for our club, particularly in regards to the make- up of our coaching department. Astute line coaches are hugely influential in the structure of a modern AFL side. While there remains pointed question marks over Ratten's ability to adequately structure our side to compete against the best, our appointments this summer have massive implications for our side in 2011 and beyond.

Personally, I feel it is essential guys like Mark Neeld, Dean Laidley, Sos, Todd Viney, and Sanderson are spoken to. There is some essential IP pouring out of those guys, and we need to get hold of it. We should avoid the 'short cuts' of appointing more than 1 recently retired player, because we cannot afford to have both the head coach and the assistants learning on the job. While the club might deem them cheaper than more experienced assistants, if ever there was a time for us to spend money- this is it.


Also agree. The lack of IP, as you put it, might explain why we seemed to be structurally adn tactically deficient.

Harvey - never coached before
Lappin - never coached before
Montgomery - never coached before
Bradley - less than a year coaching before
Riley - experience as a coach at a bottom club

In fact, when you look at it like that, it is an indictment on the Club that this was allowed to happen. Is it Kernahan and the Board who have the ultimate say here, or Swann?

AFAIC, we need to get the best people we can. If possible, I think a good mix would be one very seasoned ex-senior coach (Laidley or Williams are the obvious ones), and a couple of very experienced assistants at a successful club (Sanderson, McCartney, Tudor, Neeld, Watters). Perhaps one experienced assistant and a newly out of the game player (Kirk, Goodwin has been mentioned). Of course, that all depends on interviews and ascertaining who is the best out there.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:17 am 
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I hope people aren't underestimating how important youtube is for our club.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:55 am 
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Take this as you will... I have been told that next year will be Rattens last year if we can land Paul Roos for 2012 which they are trying to do.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:16 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I do know that those making the decision will have far more factual information than anyone here on TC.

Regards Cazzesman

Absolutely. But we're all here to speculate, share our opinions and discuss. Describing someone as an inferior candidate for the job is not the same as denigrating their worth as a human being. I'd prefer not to be taken to task when I am clearly doing the former.


Taken to Task??? Give me a break FFS. Do you mean......have your post or opinion queried?

My point is that your opinion, as are many on TC, are based on about 1% of the available information. Do you know what Teague does behind the scenes between games? Do you know how he prepares his team? How he speaks to them as indiviuals during the week?

Yes on face value from the TV and a couple of 1/4 time addresses Teague may look no match for a Fitzgerald type. But once apon a time Fitzgerald was a Teague type.

This post is call sharing an opinion and discussing. My boxing gloves a locked away in the shed...........................until after draft night :wink:

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