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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:16 pm 
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[i]"Judd won it cause he has nobody in his team to take votes away from him! SIMPLE AS THAT!" (and no, that's not a good thing!)

The opposite argument to this is that it makes it easier for Swan & Ablett to play well because they have quality team mates like Pendelbury and Selwood to share the load with.

Judd's performance is made all the more better becuase he does it without the same support.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:25 pm 
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Judd is a worthy winner.... These idiots that keep telling the media that Swan was robbed are kidding themselves.... Fistly because he finished 3rd and secondly and most importantly because the arguement that Geelong and Collingwood have players taking votes off each other is flawed.

If we accept that we have no one , then this makes Judd even more worthy. The guy plays week in week out with a five man rotational tag on him ( no one else to tag at Carlton after all ), and he still averages mid 20 possessions with close to 50% being contested....

What this tells me and should be obvious to those doubters is that Judd does it the hard way. Swan as good as is, is only as good as the easy possessions he accumulates. Garry Ablett added goals to his game this year and that is also IMO the reason he finished ahead of Swan.

When Swan can either kick 40 goals in a season and still average 30 plus possessions or when Swan has 50% of possessions as contested line breaking match turning possesions then yes he will win a Brownlow.... Until then Swan winning the Brownlow would be just as farcical as when Woewodin won it.

Great players deserve to win the Brownlow not just any player...... Judd is a great player and for the time being Swan falls a little short.

D.Swan add an extra dimension to your game and do your Collingwood faithful a favour....

On a side note the poor buggers are hurting Centrelinks Service levels.... The amount of requests for Urgent payments to Centrelink staff.........Moral of the story for Pies supporters don't bet with your dole money.

Oh well.....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:12 am 
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[i]"Judd won it cause he has nobody in his team to take votes away from him! SIMPLE AS THAT!" (and no, that's not a good thing!)

The opposite argument to this is that it makes it easier for Swan & Ablett to play well because they have quality team mates like Pendelbury and Selwood to share the load with.

Judd's performance is made all the more better becuase he does it without the same support.


I aggree.

But that's not entirely what i was getting at.

Whist i was making a point that Judd's teammates need to lift somewhat........... my main point was that all these whinging sooks claiming the Judd is the umpires pets need to look at WHY he won. But many fail to even look at those reasons..............

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:29 am 
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Walker Jacobs Hampson & pick 18 for Judd & Richmond's second pick. Do it.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:33 am 
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As if Judd would ever come here

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:22 am 
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I just sent this through to AFL360 and Mr. Whateley:

(I know, I know, waste of time and all the rest of it... But that arselicking gimp is someone I've never ever rated as a footy scribe. Someone will read it, even if it is the low man on the totem pole. I also found it cathartic, in a sense)

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Gerard Whateley... Disappear, will you.

Your article about Chris Judd's Brownlow win being tainted, tarnished, unworthy and whatever other derisive jibe you could muster was pathetic. I think the reason Judd wins votes is plain and simple: he is Carlton's best, most influential player.

You and the rest of the myopic football media need to realise Dane Swan is a good footballer. That is all. He is a myth who you've made a legend. Football journalists (or is the term media personalities nowadays?) and whomever else you suggest votes in lieu of the men in white/yellow/green/fuscia have their favorites and are just as biased and susceptible to fits of compulsion as you purport the umpires to be. In fact, I would say the media are more susceptible to the veil of stats and hype than the umpires. Especially considering they're the driving, creative force behind that hype.

Swan is a product of this media driven bias, created by the boys up in the press box. He is a double and triple-up merchant who rides the wave created by the Supercoach generation who care little about quality, just quantity. And do you honestly think the AFLPA MVP is a great indicator? Do you actually think each and every player sits down and really ponders with due consideration the seasons had by each nominated player? I doubt it. I'd say 80% of them would think, using this year as an example, 'media mentions Swan a lot, he'll do'. And that's it. Voting completed.

Swan profits from an interchange system being exploited by his coaches to confuse and confound would-be taggers. I'd be interested to see his stats should the AFL introduce a NHL style one off-one on policy, meaning you are required to enter the field of play immediately following the teammate whom you're replacing leaves the field, essentially to ensure both teams have 18 players on the arena at all times.

Regardless, whatever credibility you had, however slight it might have been, evaporated as soon as your article disparaging the newly crowned Brownlow medallist was published.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:31 am 
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I just sent this through to AFL360 and Mr. Whateley:

(I know, I know, waste of time and all the rest of it... But that arselicking gimp is someone I've never ever rated as a footy scribe. Someone will read it, even if it is the low man on the totem pole. I also found it cathartic, in a sense)

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Gerard Whateley... Disappear, will you.

Your article about Chris Judd's Brownlow win being tainted, tarnished, unworthy and whatever other derisive jibe you could muster was pathetic. I think the reason Judd wins votes is plain and simple: he is Carlton's best, most influential player.

You and the rest of the myopic football media need to realise Dane Swan is a good footballer. That is all. He is a myth who you've made a legend. Football journalists (or is the term media personalities nowadays?) and whomever else you suggest votes in lieu of the men in white/yellow/green/fuscia have their favorites and are just as biased and susceptible to fits of compulsion as you purport the umpires to be. In fact, I would say the media are more susceptible to the veil of stats and hype than the umpires. Especially considering they're the driving, creative force behind that hype.

Swan is a product of this media driven bias, created by the boys up in the press box. He is a double and triple-up merchant who rides the wave created by the Supercoach generation who care little about quality, just quantity. And do you honestly think the AFLPA MVP is a great indicator? Do you actually think each and every player sits down and really ponders with due consideration the seasons had by each nominated player? I doubt it. I'd say 80% of them would think, using this year as an example, 'media mentions Swan a lot, he'll do'. And that's it. Voting completed.

Swan profits from an interchange system being exploited by his coaches to confuse and confound would-be taggers. I'd be interested to see his stats should the AFL introduce a NHL style one off-one on policy, meaning you are required to enter the field of play immediately following the teammate whom you're replacing leaves the field, essentially to ensure both teams have 18 players on the arena at all times.

Regardless, whatever credibility you had, however slight it might have been, evaporated as soon as your article disparaging the newly crowned Brownlow medallist was published.

Regards, Sean Peter-Budge


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:58 am 
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On a side note the poor buggers are hurting Centrelinks Service levels.... The amount of requests for Urgent payments to Centrelink staff.........Moral of the story for Pies supporters don't bet with your dole money.

Oh well.....



spoke with a Centrelink social worker yesterday and she reckons they have been flooded over the last week lol

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:06 am 
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Walker Jacobs Hampson & pick 18 for Judd & Richmond's second pick. Do it.


I'd be happy if we could just get the box seat from them for that.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:19 am 
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The Bogus Brownlow

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... te=thedrum

Today has been my favourite day all season listening to all these sooks! :lol:


There's two Bs in Robbert. And it might have been nice if he found the time to complete the last sentence of his piece.

Aside from that, though, Whateley's article is pretty resaonable IMO.

If Judd got a week for the Pavlich incident I don't think there would have been too many protestations on the Carlton boards. Therefore, I think it is a fair conclusion to make that Judd was lucky to be eligible.

Personally, I think Judd has had better years in a Carlton jumper than this year. Regardless of what his kicking efficiency stats may reveal, it is undeniable he has been off his best with his foot disposal in 2010. We have two easy missed goals from the Sydney final to highlight this fact in flashing lights.

Aside from the Pavlich incident, which should be ancient history by now, I only disagree with Whateley in his assessment that Judd is an undeserving winner. Unexpected, or lucky, perhaps, but this should not equal undeserving. Judd is a champion and is marked far harder than most of his peers.

I'd say the biggest sin Whateley is guilty of is an overreaction of hyperbole. He's hardly alone there. :razz:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:24 am 
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Gerard was probably annoyed because he'd written a long winded, swooning article canonizing Dane Swan a couple of weeks back to save himself time. Which, as of late Monday evening, was made redundant.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:26 am 
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I thought Judd's first half of the season was as good as any form he's had his whole career.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:31 am 
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seanpb wrote:
Gerard was probably annoyed because he'd written a long winded, swooning article canonizing Dane Swan a couple of weeks back to save himself time. Which, as of late Monday evening, was made redundant.


That's quite possible. :razz:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:13 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
TheGame wrote:
The Bogus Brownlow

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... te=thedrum

Today has been my favourite day all season listening to all these sooks! :lol:


There's two Bs in Robbert. And it might have been nice if he found the time to complete the last sentence of his piece.

Aside from that, though, Whateley's article is pretty resaonable IMO.



I think it's one of the worst sports articles I've read.

No one has a divine right to a Brownlow. If you don't win it, stiff shit. It's the umpires award. It doesnt matter if Swan won every other award and Judd came last. The umps don't have to vote the way Gerard wants them too.

I think it has escaped everyone's notice that Swan finished 3rd. Besides on TC, everywhere else I have read has been that Judd shafted Swan. Would everyone have been so upset if Ablett won.

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Swan is like a HSV, Judd is a Lamborghini. Pie fans love that analogy.

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Swan is like a HSV, Judd is a Lamborghini. Pie fans love that analogy.


He's more like a Landcruiser.

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The other thing these whingers have not considered is the umpires vote for both the fairest & best. From the stands all we supporters can do is form an opinion on who was best. Maybe Swann mouthed off a bit in the games he didn’t poll.






Or maybe he just wasn’t the best.:razz:

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As I posted earlier, a major reason why we didn't want the filth to win it. They make enough money as it is.

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The other thing these whingers have not considered is the umpires vote for both the fairest & best. From the stands all we supporters can do is form an opinion on who was best. Maybe Swann mouthed off a bit in the games he didn’t poll.






Or maybe he just wasn’t the best.:razz:



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Given the reaction by the media and by opposition supporters of all teams to Juddy's win proves that we are the most hated team in the comp. Cannot wait for the cresendo of wailing and gnashing of teeth when we win our 17th. lol

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