Fully INDEPENDENT review required - Sticks & Coutts must go!

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:26 pm

Who votes on the Pres? Is it the board or the members?

Isn't / wasn't Sticks part of the Pratt Ticket board?

I don't know if Sticks is a good Prez or not, but he doesn't strike me as a normal prez, but he was pressed ganged into it anyway. If he said he was only temporary then maybe they should look for someone else.

A review would be great and should be conducted every year, how you change the Pres though, i need some enlightening.

One thing I will say, I'm finally convinced we are heading in the right direction.

caulfieldrover · **Joined:** Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:24 am **Posts:** 336

This is a rubbish post. The board is backed by the Pratt family, that is all you need to know.

Ratten is safe, we still need to recruit more players. Made the 8 in firsts and seconds. We now need to find the right mix on match day.

Took Geelong about 10 years of drafting to get to where they are today with 7th as their highest pick.

Hopefully our early departure from the finals will burn in the hearts of our players until they get back to the finals.

We need to beat the middle teams and play 4 quarters, only a list of 20 players with between 50-150 games can deliver that, we are still well short on experience.

Leave the board and coach alone

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Michael Jezz · **Joined:** Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:52 pm **Posts:** 2044

The board has too many people on it to be effective. It must be like the United Nations trying to hold a meeting .

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18030

caulfieldrover wrote:

This is a rubbish post. The board is backed by the Pratt family, that is all you need to know.

You're being a bit hard on yourself. Some of your post was OK but that particular comment is definitely rubbish.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

caulfieldrover wrote:

This is a rubbish post. The board is backed by the Pratt family, that is all you need to know.

Ratten is safe, we still need to recruit more players. Made the 8 in firsts and seconds. We now need to find the right mix on match day.

Took Geelong about 10 years of drafting to get to where they are today with 7th as their highest pick.................

I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree with your sentiments, but people need to realise that Geelong has had three players who could arguably have gone top 3 (Ablett, Hawkins, and Scarlett), so "7th as their highest pick" doesn't add accuracy to any argument about them.

DLC · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:01 pm

moshe25 wrote:

caulfieldrover wrote:

Took Geelong about 10 years of drafting to get to where they are today with 7th as their highest pick.................

I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree with your sentiments, but people need to realise that Geelong has had three players who could arguably have gone top 3 (Ablett, Hawkins, and Scarlett), so "7th as their highest pick" doesn't add accuracy to any argument about them.

Hawkins definitely mooted as a top 3 pick had he been available. But at the time they were drafted Scarlett and Ablett were never promoted as such. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

DLC wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

caulfieldrover wrote:

Took Geelong about 10 years of drafting to get to where they are today with 7th as their highest pick.................

I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree with your sentiments, but people need to realise that Geelong has had three players who could arguably have gone top 3 (Ablett, Hawkins, and Scarlett), so "7th as their highest pick" doesn't add accuracy to any argument about them.

Hawkins definitely mooted as a top 3 pick had he been available. But at the time they were drafted Scarlett and Ablett were never promoted as such. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Ablett was regarded as a probable first round pick, I don't remember Scarlett being picked up.

dooky · **Joined:** Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:07 pm **Posts:** 349

I remember hearing talk that former NAB CEO and current Australia Post CEO Ahmed Fahour was being sought out for the presidency following Pratt's passing. There was even talk about such a succession plan when Pratt had only started his tenure as the two were close friends and presumably had business dealings with one another.

He has clearly been extremely successful in his business ventures so from that perspective the appointment would make sense - but to anyone better informed, is it possible his other interests are too consuming for him right now and is this the reason he has yet to step in?

Just seems like the appropriate time given Sticks' reluctance and lets be honest - inadequacy in holding down this position long term.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10591

Sticks is doing a fine job.
All he has to do now is get us out of the flowering TD and back to the G / PP and he can have the job for life :idea:

bluekettle · **Joined:** Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:42 am **Posts:** 336

budzy wrote:

With a poor 2010 membership level and a clear disengagement with grassroots supporters/members, it's time for change at Carlton.

The old school approach by Kernahan & Coutts in particular is outdated and they both need to be moved on.

A new President should immediately engage an appropriate independent firm (not Vossy :wink:

) to review its operations and advise on measures that brings Carlton into the modern age and re-engages it with its supporters/members new and old.

No more 'shifty inhouse Carlton' which takes it grassroots for granted. That 'Carlton' has turned too many people away.

I want to become a member again in 2011, but not until I see a REAL change in attitude at Carlton.

Haven’t you left someone else out, maybe Ratten as well should go.

BigKev · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:49 pm

budzy wrote:

With a poor 2010 membership level and a clear disengagement with grassroots supporters/members, it's time for change at Carlton.

The old school approach by Kernahan & Coutts in particular is outdated and they both need to be moved on.

A new President should immediately engage an appropriate independent firm (not Vossy :wink:

) to review its operations and advise on measures that brings Carlton into the modern age and re-engages it with its supporters/members new and old.

No more 'shifty inhouse Carlton' which takes it grassroots for granted. That 'Carlton' has turned too many people away.

I want to become a member again in 2011, but not until I see a REAL change in attitude at Carlton.

Is that you Aka?

Captain Dan · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:28 pm

Buying a membership is supporting the club as a whole. Not individuals within the club. If you're unhappy with the way the place is being ran, find other ways to influence change (excluding dumping shit at front doors as such- this is not Richmond). Don't take it out on the other majority of the place.

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17893

Full independent review But you've already decided the outcome.
Did you do your own full independent review.
Who did you talk to?
Where can we read your report?

camel · **Posted:** Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:14 pm

buzzaaaah wrote:

Full independent review But you've already decided the outcome.

Was just about to highlight this! :lol:

Sir Humphrey would be impressed.

DesEnglish · **Joined:** Fri May 18, 2007 2:10 pm **Posts:** 2871

I'm not being critical but you cant vote if you're not a member and the only way to get change is to vote Sticks out.

Orangewhip · **Joined:** Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 6154

I think some have already got their sticks out and none have been overly impressive.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

buzzaaaah wrote:

Full independent review But you've already decided the outcome.
Did you do your own full independent review.
Who did you talk to?
Where can we read your report?

Outcome pre-determined
Only one place to read the report
last issue of Pakistan Cricket Monthly

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

caulfieldrover wrote:

This is a rubbish post. The board is backed by the Pratt family, that is all you need to know.

Ratten is safe, we still need to recruit more players. Made the 8 in firsts and seconds. We now need to find the right mix on match day.

Took Geelong about 10 years of drafting to get to where they are today with 7th as their highest pick.

Hopefully our early departure from the finals will burn in the hearts of our players until they get back to the finals.

We need to beat the middle teams and play 4 quarters, only a list of 20 players with between 50-150 games can deliver that, we are still well short on experience.

Leave the board and coach alone

Did it take Haw 10 years
What about Coll
Ill bet Rich and Melb will be top 6 in the next 5 years
Your'e delusional. That's all you need to know

Nicko Carstairs · **Joined:** Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:02 am **Posts:** 629

Surely this is a flower piss take...

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