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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:25 am 
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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
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BTW - I wouldn't trade Sentanta. He has a good start, give him another chance.


Aha. I've finally found where the "n" went from Thorton's name!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:27 am 
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The Cornes one was a joke btw :lol:


I thought the whole post was a joke!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:29 am 
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We cannot flower trade Betts............


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:51 pm 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
Walks and Setanta to Syd
Swans first pick, pick 19 in return
(Walks to Syd is a rumour that is going around and there was word last Oct Syd were sniffing around Setanta)

Hammer to GC for pick 26 - they need a ready-to-go ruck, he is from Qld and has enormous upside, and is contracted to us so they have to play ball to get him. He hasn't come on yet so his value goes down from 17 which we used to get him to 26

Reckon Thornton will not have any value and will go to GC via PSD

So we have picks

18
19
26
35
52

Trade pick 26 and Browne to Freo for Tarrant

Trade pick 35 for Chad Cornes

Keep picks 18, 19 and 52 and go to draft


so thats
OUT walker, setanta, browne and hampson , pick 26, pick 35
IN: Tarrant, Cornes and pick 19
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gee i'm glad your not in charge of our list.

i'd much rather keep, walker, setanta and hampson and go with picks 18, 26, 35 and at worst try and trade some steak knives for another pick below our 52 if possible and just go to the draft.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:52 pm 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
The Cornes one was a joke btw :lol:

only just saw this after my post above. :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:31 pm 
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I think Ratts meant that we wouldn't go for a key backman or forward but for some ruck rover types to bolster our midfield as that is where we have been killed against the Swans Hawks Freo Pies etc.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:57 am 
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Peter Sherry wrote:
I think Ratts meant that we wouldn't go for a key backman or forward but for some ruck rover types to bolster our midfield as that is where we have been killed against the Swans Hawks Freo Pies etc.


That makes sense.

Not many agree with me but I think with Jamo, Bower, White and Austin we're ok for tall defenders. Wouldn't mind them drafting for depth.

Someone asked earlier how Collingwood and St Kilda get away with playing Brown, Reid, Maxwell, Gilbert, Fisher and Blake as tall defenders...it all starts further upfield, in the forwardline and Midfield. If you dont have enough pressure applied there it doesnt matter who you have as tall defenders.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:47 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Peter Sherry wrote:
I think Ratts meant that we wouldn't go for a key backman or forward but for some ruck rover types to bolster our midfield as that is where we have been killed against the Swans Hawks Freo Pies etc.


That makes sense.

Not many agree with me but I think with Jamo, Bower, White and Austin we're ok for tall defenders. Wouldn't mind them drafting for depth.

Someone asked earlier how Collingwood and St Kilda get away with playing Brown, Reid, Maxwell, Gilbert, Fisher and Blake as tall defenders...it all starts further upfield, in the forwardline and Midfield. If you dont have enough pressure applied there it doesnt matter who you have as tall defenders.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:56 am 
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Peter Sherry wrote:
I think Ratts meant that we wouldn't go for a key backman or forward but for some ruck rover types to bolster our midfield as that is where we have been killed against the Swans Hawks Freo Pies etc.


i would not be surprised to see a deal involving jacobs and chris knights ( not as a straight swap ) or salopek but i think you are right and we will be looking for either another midfielder or a drummond type who can play half back ( to replace stevens ) and release gibbs.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:00 am 
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I'm also fully with Peter Sherry.

I just took the whole we will be different to what people think to mean that we are going for midfielders and flankers rather than key position players. For a start, the only key position player who seems to be available is Tarrant.

My guess is we're looking to increase the midfield rotations. We've obviously got Lucas to add back in there, but probably not too much else coming through at the moment. If the club is indeed interested in Mundy then it doesn't surprise me.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:05 am 
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According to this mornings papers we want to keep the four talls and are in fact negotiating a new contract for Sam Jacobs. Icke says it would have to be an extraordinary offer to extract Hammer or Jacobs.
Also according to the papers this morning the club is having a re-think on Walker after his game on Sunday as the third tall, apparently Adelaide are keen. Thornton is assessing his options and may ask the club for a trade and Fish will be looking for a new club and Wiggo to retire.
We are keen on Tarrant.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:12 am 
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woof wrote:
According to this mornings papers we want to keep the four talls and are in fact negotiating a new contract for Sam Jacobs. Icke says it would have to be an extraordinary offer to extract Hammer or Jacobs.
Also according to the papers this morning the club is having a re-think on Walker after his game on Sunday as the third tall, apparently Adelaide are keen. Thornton is assessing his options and may ask the club for a trade and Fish will be looking for a new club and Wiggo to retire.
We are keen on Tarrant.

Hope Jacobs stays, i think he will be the best ruckman of all 4. Fisher asked to be traded last year, there were no takers.
Thornton will be gone you would imagine but it doesnt make sense that we are looking for a key defender but will probably trade one out.
The club would be mad to trade Walker, he is more valuable to us than any trade we would get for him.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:18 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Peter Sherry wrote:
I think Ratts meant that we wouldn't go for a key backman or forward but for some ruck rover types to bolster our midfield as that is where we have been killed against the Swans Hawks Freo Pies etc.


That makes sense.

Not many agree with me but I think with Jamo, Bower, White and Austin we're ok for tall defenders. Wouldn't mind them drafting for depth.

Someone asked earlier how Collingwood and St Kilda get away with playing Brown, Reid, Maxwell, Gilbert, Fisher and Blake as tall defenders...it all starts further upfield, in the forwardline and Midfield. If you dont have enough pressure applied there it doesnt matter who you have as tall defenders.


Maxwell, Gilbert, Fisher are GUNS, miles ahead of our talls down back

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It's the structure and systems that make them guns. On their own Gilbert is often exposed as is Maxwell. They ain't guns, they play in very good teams.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:28 pm 
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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
It's the structure and systems that make them guns. On their own Gilbert is often exposed as is Maxwell. They ain't guns, they play in very good teams.

Yep....

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At this stage whatever you hear or read is all speculation....

Clubs would have wish-lists but nothing more.

Once all clubs have determined their needs/wants and their possible tradeables then things will be looked at.

But don't discount anything! Ratts in his last year of contract will want a top 4 spot at minimum to ensure he stays on. So if he can get something that we believe will be of immediate value almost everyone would be looked at to some degree.

IMO Jacobs, Walker, Thornton, Browne and Setanta will be shopped around - but that doesnt mean anything will eventuate!

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Fisher asked to be traded last year, there were no takers.


Adelaide were keen until they got favorable medical reports re: Trent Hentschel's knee. Then they went cold on the idea. But it got very close.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:42 pm 
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woof wrote:
According to this mornings papers we want to keep the four talls and are in fact negotiating a new contract for Sam We are keen on Tarrant.


How old is Tarrant? 35? 45? 55? 65? (He was first drafted in 1997 for gawd sake)

He is way too old. He isn't worth it unless we give up something minimal.

Reminds me of the O'Reilly trade. When have we traded for a good defender?

It is rare, as far as I am aware.

How about this - Bower and a draft pick for either Gilham, Ladson or Birchall. These are the trades I would like to see.
I know I am dreaming but Tarrant isn't in my dream scenario.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:29 pm 
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Seriously???
Bower is already better than Birchall, Gilham or Ladson and he has been unfit, out of form and underweight since his injuries crashed his season.
His first few games of the year, he was in great form. Thenhe got injured and missed nearly half the season.

Settle down. I hate the desperation some people have to destroy our own at the drop of a hat. The Hawks should probably have traded Buddy after last season for a 4th round draft pick. Seriously!!!
At worst, Bower has a couple of things to work on over summer.


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