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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:27 am 
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I expect us to play a side that is capable of winning while developing our young players at the same time.

I expect us to use our picks wisely and not trade top picks for players not capable of delivering what we need.

I also expect us to keep an open mind and not stubornly decide one way or another who must always play, and who must nevber play again.

We made some critical errors at the selection table last week. This has been happening since Ratts took over. He has the players on the list to go further into the finals than we did, but because of his refusal to bend, we've got a dozen or so players who desperately need morte finals experience starting their holidays.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:34 am 
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In a perfect world, where we are injury free... our lineup might look something like this:

B: Bower Jamison Armfield
HB: o'Keefe *HOLE* Russell
C: Lucas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Garlett Henderson Yarran
F: Betts *HOLE* Waite

R: Warnock Judd Murph

INT: Grigg, McClean, Kreuzer, Scotland


Notice, im hanging hope on a fit and effective Rhys o'keefe. We are missing a true CHB and FF. Waite would be an amazing 3rd tall forward OR defender... im not confinced he could hold down a main slot though.


I've heard good things about the HOLE brothers. both 6"5', 100 kgs and run like the wind... Good things next year with these two in Key Posts!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:55 am 
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The Duke wrote:
I expect us to play a side that is capable of winning while developing our young players at the same time.

I expect us to use our picks wisely and not trade top picks for players not capable of delivering what we need.

I also expect us to keep an open mind and not stubornly decide one way or another who must always play, and who must nevber play again.

We made some critical errors at the selection table last week. This has been happening since Ratts took over. He has the players on the list to go further into the finals than we did, but because of his refusal to bend, we've got a dozen or so players who desperately need morte finals experience starting their holidays.


How about an example or are we just supposed to guess?
Make your point, if you've got one.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:03 pm 
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WA Blue wrote:
The Duke wrote:
I expect us to play a side that is capable of winning while developing our young players at the same time.

I expect us to use our picks wisely and not trade top picks for players not capable of delivering what we need.

I also expect us to keep an open mind and not stubornly decide one way or another who must always play, and who must nevber play again.

We made some critical errors at the selection table last week. This has been happening since Ratts took over. He has the players on the list to go further into the finals than we did, but because of his refusal to bend, we've got a dozen or so players who desperately need morte finals experience starting their holidays.


How about an example or are we just supposed to guess?
Make your point, if you've got one.


If I must;
We shouldn't have played Davies
We should have played Thornton
We shouldn't have given Melbourne Pick 11 for Brock
We should have taken Ball
We should have been playing Jacobs instead of Hampson
Setanta should have been given more opportunities and played finals
Kruezer should not have been played as #1 ruck at his age.

There I said it. You're right, it feels much better :smoking:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:10 pm 
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Ash is the best Hole brother by far

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:40 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
I said a few years ago that 2011 is when we should start to believe that there is enough talent, nous, professionalism and belief amongst the entire group to be a top 4 side.

Therefore, my expectations for next year are high. Very high. I went through the list last night and I've identified a few on the senior list that I don't think have the desire or competency to be consistently good, accountable or team players at this level. Two played yesterday. There are going to have to be some tough decisions made in the off-season...I'm not expecting to agree with all of them, but if we're to go forward as a football club and fix deficiencies - then sacrifices must be made.


I agree with your thoughts there Doc - Top 4 needs to be the aim next season. I hated Ratten and Co using the Fevola trade as an excuse for not aiming higher this year, that was a total cop out!
Interesting to know which players you think won't take us to that next level.
From yesterdays side I reckon that Betts, Walker, and Robinson won't get us to that top 4 spot. Apart from that I reckon our list isn't too bad.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:13 pm 
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Ando the Wonderkid wrote:
Ash is the best Hole brother by far


They are right up there with the Zarsoff brothers Bluey and Bernie

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:25 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
The Shag wrote:
In a perfect world, where we are injury free... our lineup might look something like this:

B: Bower Jamison Armfield
HB: o'Keefe *HOLE* Russell
C: Lucas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Garlett Henderson Yarran
F: Betts *HOLE* Waite

R: Warnock Judd Murph

INT: Grigg, McClean, Kreuzer, Scotland


Notice, im hanging hope on a fit and effective Rhys o'keefe. We are missing a true CHB and FF. Waite would be an amazing 3rd tall forward OR defender... im not confinced he could hold down a main slot though.


I've heard good things about the HOLE brothers. both 6"5', 100 kgs and run like the wind... Good things next year with these two in Key Posts!!!


Andrew & Albert, both AHoles

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:34 pm 
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Based on what we have now I believe our best 22 next year will look like this:

B: Touhy Bower Russell
HB: Yarran Austin O'Keefe
C: Gibbs Grigg Simpson
HF: Walker Henderson Garlett
F: Betts Kruezer Waite
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Lucas Ellard Carrazzo Armfield

That leaves guys like Scotland, Robinson, Houlihan, McLean, Jamison, White, Hampson, Casboult, Kerr putting pressure on for spots which is always good.

Others like Dare, Donaldson, Cachia are probably another year away.

We need a key defender with size and if we don't recruit one Austin has to stand up. Setanta is an option as he is not a key forward.

A lot of our hopes next year will depend upon the improvement of Warnock, Yarran, O'Keefe, White, Robinson, Lucas, Austin, Bower & McLean. We know what Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Carrots etc can do. The improvement needs to come for the next level.

We need to recruit a large bodied defender and we need more consistent on ballers who use the ball well and can play 4 qtrs. I still believe we fall away badly in our bottom six each week.

Warnock and Kruezer need to add some muscle. Casboult is a wildcard, a full pre season and he could be the perfect big forward with time in the ruck.

Yarran needs to spend the year in defence. He has class, skill and poise but needs to be in the game more and learn consistency. A year in defence will do him wonders. It is very hard to play consistent football in the forward pocket. For the same reason Betts needs to work harder and spend more time on the ball. He is the best reader of balls of the pack and his use on the run is excellent. Something we lack.

A fit Lucas will add a lot with his run and ball use and he already has the engine to add to the midfield.

I have been impressed by Tuohy all year and his improvement has been enormous. I expect him to play seniors next year where his ball use and hard body work will be a major benefit.

Walker up forward with the talls and smalls we have could be a major headache for opposition clubs. He along with Waite, White, Casboult, Hendo and Kruezer will cause some headaches. Kerr, Garlett and Hoops will be pressing for the same spot where their defensive efforts will be the key.

On paper our forward line is every bit as talented as Geelong's or Collingwood's. The difference is structure and our use into our forward 50. Improve that and we could be a very attacking side.

Unfortunately it looks like Jacobs will be traded out of necessity and Thornton and Walker may be trade options as well. Guys like Wiggins, Fisher, Tiller, Johnson, Browne and even Hadley may struggle to be around in 2011.

O'Keefe is a wildcard. The guy has a big body, is tough and is a fantastic left foot kick that is long and accurate. The fact is though he hasn't got on the park and has played limited game time in the last two years. Fingers crossed he stands up.

The other change we need is in the coaching box. Ratten has got another year and fair enough but he needs help. The positions of guys like Riley, Monty, Harvey, Lappin, Teague, Bradley need serious consideration. A game day coach like Laidley in the box with Ratten on the bench surrounded by the next wave of young coaches like Scott, West, Waters, Cameron etc would add a freshness to the group. Maybe it's time for Harris or Harvey to coach the Bullants?

A little bit of luck, some smart trading (ala a big bodied key defender and some more mids with vision and skill) will have my expectations very high for a top 4-6 spot in 2011.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:43 pm 
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I think 2011 we should be aiming for position 6th or better on the ladder. 7th or 8th on the ladder just isn't going to cut it next season.

I believe we are capable of this and our group is still very young. Having said that, we can't use that as an excuse from now, so bring on 2011.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:46 pm 
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If we can somehow engineer a draw like Collingwood were handed this year then I reckon a top 4 finish would be attainable.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:51 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
If we can somehow engineer a draw like Collingwood were handed this year then I reckon a top 4 finish would be attainable.


Hahaha as if

Our draw will be something like

Rd 1: Richmond at G
Rd 2: Brisbane at Gabba
Rd 3: Filth at G
Rd 4: Freo at Subi
Rd 5: Cats at Etihad
Rd 6: Bummers at G
Rd 7: Swans at SCG
Rd 8: Saints at Etihad

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:58 pm 
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If we want a draw like Collingwood, you best get your mates to sign up as members.

50 000 members gets you a few concessions! Not 40 000.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:00 pm 
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We should expect significant improvement.

Bar Scotland no one will be over 30 and i wouldnt expect any player to go backwards.

Massive improvements after a big pre season from:

Garlett
Yarran
Henderson
Warnock
Lucas
Davies
Bower
Hampson and/or Jacobs
White


Steady Improvement:

Gibbs
Murphy
Betts
Jamison
Russell
Waite (Given it was his first season back from a knee reco)
Walker - Play him forward!!!
Joseph
Armfield
Robinson
Ellard

Players to hold ground:
Judd
Carazzo
Simpson
Hadley

Possible decline:
Scotland
Houlihan



No expectations on MK given he is a 21yo ruck coming back from a knee reco. No idea where to put Brock given no one really knows what his body is going to do, but if he gets it right would be under the massive improvements category

Done off the top of my head so probably missed someone but I really am expecting (ok, probably hoping) a significantly better list next year.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:01 pm 
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Above was based on those who were either selected or in contention for selection for yesterdays game


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:16 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Based on what we have now I believe our best 22 next year will look like this:

B: Touhy Bower Russell
HB: Yarran Austin O'Keefe
C: Gibbs Grigg Simpson
HF: Walker Henderson Garlett
F: Betts Kruezer Waite
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Lucas Ellard Carrazzo Armfield



Bower isn't a full back and never will be. He does his best work off half back where he can jump at the contest and run with the ball. Austin can't gain any momentum in the VFL so I fail to see how he's going to tip out one of our team leaders in Jamo.
It actually surprises me how some supporters underestimate Jamisons value or perhaps, they fail to grasp the difficulty of playing the deep key defensive role.
As for O'Keefe, let's see him actually do something for the Bullants first.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:25 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Based on what we have now I believe our best 22 next year will look like this:

B: Touhy Bower Russell
HB: Yarran Austin O'Keefe
C: Gibbs Grigg Simpson
HF: Walker Henderson Garlett
F: Betts Kruezer Waite
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Lucas Ellard Carrazzo Armfield

That leaves guys like Scotland, Robinson, Houlihan, McLean, Jamison, White, Hampson, Casboult, Kerr putting pressure on for spots which is always good.

:confused:

If you think Bower is a full back, then I think you said it best.

Do we give players a fair chance....?

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One point that has always confused me is the MC's need to make players into completely different players than they were. Recruiters recruit players based on a number of factors but the major one is how they perform in a game.

We have a number of players on our list that have excelled at junior level but have not stepped up. Have they not been given a chance to play in a position or role that got them to the AFL in the first place?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:25 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Based on what we have now I believe our best 22 next year will look like this:

B: Touhy Bower Russell
HB: Yarran Austin O'Keefe
C: Gibbs Grigg Simpson
HF: Walker Henderson Garlett
F: Betts Kruezer Waite
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Lucas Ellard Carrazzo Armfield



Bower isn't a full back and never will be.

He does his best work off half back where he can jump at the contest and run with the ball.

Austin can't gain any momentum in the VFL so I fail to see how he's going to tip out one of our team leaders in Jamo.
It actually surprises me how some supporters underestimate Jamisons value or perhaps, they fail to grasp the difficulty of playing the deep key defensive role. As for O'Keefe, let's see him actually do something for the Bullants first.


Regards to Bower. Why not? Some of his best games have been playing deeper. He can then attack the way he likes just from deeper. SOS anyone?

As for Jamo he has really struggled and I believe some of his limitations are now starting to show through.

As for your other comments did you actually read my comments and reasoning? I said that Austin now needs to stand up and O'Keefe could be a wildcard. These are my hopes and expectations in 2011!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:29 pm 
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Regards to Bower. Why? Some of his best games have been playing deeper. He can then attack the way he likes just from deeper. SOS anyone?!

Bower doesn't have the anticipation, legspeed, body strength (in the legs) and intensity to play full back.

Bradshaw ragdolled Bower twice last year.

Jack Riewoldt got a goal on Bower after Jamison went to the bench.

Bower is no Pears or Frawley, let alone SOS.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:01 pm 
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What a shit day at work. !!!!!

Copped a lot of shit today, esp by those filth supporters.
Most popular comment was, "thought you guys were supposed to learn from last years loss, bunch of losers".

What could i say accept that, "you guys haven't got there yet and have a history of choking in Grand Finals"

Anyway, had lunch with all my fellow Blues supporters today and the topic came up on
who we all think would be traded.

We all picked one player each and came up with,

Houla
Hampson
Walker
Betts
Thorton
Yarran (I strongly disagreed with this one)


Thoughts ?

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