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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:17 pm 
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Rod Ashman

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I think that overall, we did okay. The problem is that the season probably unfolded in reverse to how many of us expected it to unfold - i.e., we expected to struggle a bit at the start but come home strongly, whereas in reality, our first half of the season was great but our second half of the season was not so impressive. Still, we lost a lot of experience and quality (Fevola and the oft-overlooked impact of Nick Stevens, as well as the phasing out of Thornton).

Making finals is probably a 'pass' mark for mine. But barring a huge injury list next season, I'd expect to push for top 4.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:35 pm 
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Bob Chitty
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dannyboy wrote:
went forwards

Instead of Fevcentricity with Betts and Fisher as backups and Kruise to kick a few

we have

Hendo Waite Garlett Betts Yazz

we have introduced Lucas White Davies

We have Warnock and Jacobs - so Kruise can be used as a weapon next year.

Better spread this year and more games into the younger players

Defence is still a weakness - shame about White and Austin (need him fit) but glad Ratts stuck with Davies.

List is not there yet but it is better than last year.



Forwards....

2009 We were Coming

2010 They smelled what we were cooking

2011 We served them up on a Plate!

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:37 pm 
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Rod Ashman

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dannyboy wrote:
I am not shattered about the club just today's game and that is only because we did play well and were coached well enough and have enough chances to win interstate against a more seasoned finals outfit in front of their home crowd and that I really think we would have beaten the dogs next week.

If we had have been smashed. if we had not have given a yelp. If it looked as if we should not have played finals. if we had looked a bit like the bulldogs the other night, then, then I might think Ratts and the club are wrong and the list is crap and the skills are shit and the...and the...and...

Its about perspective.

Its about seeing what is shown not what you want to see. I saw a young side give it a fair crack today, a side that had its chances but missed a couple it should have kicked. I saw two sides go at it all day, no quarter asked or given. I saw player after player go in when they had to.

I think we still have some gaps but we are coming from a long way back - we are getting there. I expect more next year if we have a settled, productive summer and if Kruise gets back okay and we can get two or 3 of our backmen fit - say White and Austin and Bower.

But even then I hate to say it but I think we need to still be patient with games into players like Austin and White and Davies and maybe Dare or Touhy and so on.\
Top 4/5 next year and win some finals.

Then a further step the year after hopefully.


gotta admit that i was totally gutted after the loss, and felt sick to the core, mainly due to the fact the boys tried so damned hard all day. i could even forgive the errors, as it was not for lack of trying, mebbe the pressure got to them.

HOWEVER, once my rationality returned i started to look at some positives for the year and the game, and Dannyboy, mate, gotta say that yours has to be the post of the year!!!!

makes me feel positive again :thanks:

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:11 am 
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Rod Ashman
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2009 Lost the Final with a whimper

2010 Lost the Final with a bang

Our fitness has to be up there with the best in the league - able to run games out in the final rounds. The problem is when we play catch up football.

Lets work on our starts, lets work on our decision making, and improve our execution. There is upside and improvement to every player that played on the weekend - perhaps with the exception of Scotland who I would be satisfied if played at the same level next year. I am excited by the prospect of Gibbs, Murphy and Henderson with another pre-season under their belt.

For those who weren't on the park yesterday Kreuz will be back, don't write off Brock yet, Lucas looks a likely type and Yarran will be a gun.

I watched with disappointment and a broken heart yesterday but my immediate reaction was that we will definitely push top 4 next year

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:18 am 
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From a combined coaching and playing perspective we failed to adapt when opposition teams worked us out. We were beaten tactically and mentally and those are the areas we MUST address this preseason.


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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:16 pm 
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Ken Hunter
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Blues2005 wrote:
I think that overall, we did okay. The problem is that the season probably unfolded in reverse to how many of us expected it to unfold - i.e., we expected to struggle a bit at the start but come home strongly, whereas in reality, our first half of the season was great but our second half of the season was not so impressive. Still, we lost a lot of experience and quality (Fevola and the oft-overlooked impact of Nick Stevens, as well as the phasing out of Thornton).

Making finals is probably a 'pass' mark for mine. But barring a huge injury list next season, I'd expect to push for top 4.


I agree. I have always thought this would be a transition year after losing Fev and Stevens. That is years of experience and ability gone all of a sudden.

We had a great start to the season, shithouse patch midseason and tracked at where we thought we'd be at in the last part of the season - beating the crap teams, losing to the top teams and our last 3 losses (Syd, Dorks, Geel) were all hard fought IMO.

We lost Kreuzer midyear with a season ending injury and also had players like Houlihan, Bower and Walker affected by injuries and in and out of the side. New recruits Lucas, McLean and White were hit by injuries and unable to really show us what they've got.

Players like Garlett, Henderson, Jacobs, Ellard, Warnock, Davies were all given the chance to develop and improve and they all have, Jeffy, Sauce and Hendo in particular.

We finished around the same position as last year which was better than I had anticipated - yes I was one of the doom sayers after Fev's departure - and we were looking unlikely to make the finals mid year.

Our midseason slump was worrying because our skills and decision making were appalling and our confidence and mental strength completely shot. Mental strength is one area I think we really struggle with and will be a concern. We improved our skills and decision making towards the end of the year though. As mentioned our fitness is good and we run out games well. We improved our intensity and matched the Swans well yesterday. Consistency and stringing together 3-5 wins should be an aim for next year.

Overall I am reasonably OK with our 2010 year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:50 pm 
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We need a CHB. I dont know if Austin/White-Austin didnt get a game this year?-will come on so we need to trade or maybe there's one if the VFL. Jamo and Bower are too often left out on their own and unable to cope.

If the kick out isnt worked on this summer The Coaching staff can all all stuffed. Crikey how hard is it to copy what Geelong or the Pies do and just work on it all over the pre-season?


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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:15 pm 
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anfield wrote:
We need a CHB. I dont know if Austin/White-Austin didnt get a game this year?-will come on so we need to trade or maybe there's one if the VFL. Jamo and Bower are too often left out on their own and unable to cope.

If the kick out isnt worked on this summer The Coaching staff can all all stuffed. Crikey how hard is it to copy what Geelong or the Pies do and just work on it all over the pre-season?


I thought our kick-outs were 300% better yesterday. The plan on the majority of occasions was to move the ball on quickly to a short leading target ... most of the time to one of our better midfield ball users about 20 or 30 metres out from goal. It meant the secodn kick ended up closer to the wing than the 50 metre line. I thought this was a marked improvement on the rest of the year and showed some coaching nous. We don't take it coast to coast as much as the top 4 teams because our kicking skills aren't up to scratch all over the field (including conversion in front of goal).

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:14 pm 
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2010 was a step forward for mine. Our last two games were great efforts but we lost. We saw how the Hawks handled Freo over at Subi. Who made a better fist of it...

We played some great games and some shockers. But if you look at other clubs they can say the same.

The best clubs just don't have the shockers. Sure they lose the odd game but their best and worst aren't far apart.

That's our challenge.

I'm wrapped with Hendo, even though I think he probably cost us yesterday. Hope it burns in the young fella all summer.

Garlett is fantastic, Jacobs Hammer and Warnock all have massive upside.

Lucas and Kruize will be great next year and Yazz could be anything.

When can I get next years membership....

2011 is too far away !

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:59 am 
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I'm 50/50.

I think the worst thing is, for yet another season, we have proved that at best, we are Predictably Inconsistent.

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 Post subject: Re: 2010 summary
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:10 am 
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Horrie Clover

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Dukes wrote:
anfield wrote:
We need a CHB. I dont know if Austin/White-Austin didnt get a game this year?-will come on so we need to trade or maybe there's one if the VFL. Jamo and Bower are too often left out on their own and unable to cope.

If the kick out isnt worked on this summer The Coaching staff can all all stuffed. Crikey how hard is it to copy what Geelong or the Pies do and just work on it all over the pre-season?


I thought our kick-outs were 300% better yesterday. The plan on the majority of occasions was to move the ball on quickly to a short leading target ... most of the time to one of our better midfield ball users about 20 or 30 metres out from goal. It meant the secodn kick ended up closer to the wing than the 50 metre line. I thought this was a marked improvement on the rest of the year and showed some coaching nous. We don't take it coast to coast as much as the top 4 teams because our kicking skills aren't up to scratch all over the field (including conversion in front of goal).


You are right, our kick outs were better than they have been for a long time....BUT...the Swans didn't put the full court press on in the manner of the Saints and the Pies. They actually set up back beyond the 50 arc on most occassions giving us an easy outlet. I have no idea why, but they certainly gave us any easy path.


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