EF: Sydney v Carlton (post match thread)

camel · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:06 pm

Bloody gutsy effort in third qtr but we really needed another goal or two before last qtr. Should have also nailed those early shots in the last.

Rapted with our effort but disappointed we gave ourselves a chance to win and fluffed it.

Not sure we had the belief when it mattered most.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

blues8182 wrote:

99prelim wrote:

Our structures are non existent.
And yes, we got within a goal of them.
Our coaching is second, sometimes third rate.
We have some of the dumbest and laziest footballers going around. Either that, or the gameplan makes them play dumb, lazy football.
Another wasted season. Judd is now 27.
Betts is fast becoming our Leon Davis
Why Hadley was ever dropped this season is beyond me and why we couldn't identify earlier in the year that Ellard was a goer is also beyond me

You smoken !@#$%& cones or what? apart from the comment about Hadley and ellard the rest is !@#$%& crap, We made mistakes yes, but had a red hot crack and we fell short, we have to deal with it, but to criticise the coaching is just plain dumb or over emotion, i thought our game plan worked well, we were just beaten by a harder bodied more experienced side.

PLEASE enlighten me as to what more the coaching staff could have done?

When you make the same mistakes over and over again, its dumb football, its not a mistake.
When the opposition find space and players over and over again and we can't, its lazy football, not a mistake
When Judd gets little support at the stoppages over and over again, its a coaching problem
When we continuously handball to players in a worse position, its dumb football
When we start off conceding goals early in the game over and over again its a coaching problem
When our kick out strategy is suburban standard, its a coaching problem
When our tackles from experienced players dont stick over and over again its a development problem
When the ball is in our forward 50 and there are 3-4 opposition to one of our players, its a structures problem

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:11 pm

club29 wrote:

The players will be shattered. They tried their best but came up short. 6 or 7 guys different to last years team. Mainly experienced players out for kids so it was a big effort.

We were unlucky early but turned it around.

Looking forward to pre season already !

Great Post................POW!

Taff · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:11 pm

Was away all day and managed to sneak home for the last quarter. The last quarter summed it up for me, almost but not quite good enough when it really mattered. Plenty of positives to look forward to. Bring on the pre-season.

Aspects that need working on:
1. Skills, skills ,skills
2. Tackling - make them stick, and stronger bodies.
3. Need to make some tough calls on some players (their names have been thrown around enough so no need to name them)
4. Development is the key. Are we getting the most out of our playing group?
5. Procure a seasoned big bodied key backman (best of luck on that one!)

Headcutter · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:12 pm

devestated!!!!!! Now I know how Travis Tuck feels
BUT
As supporters we often say all we want is for the players to give 100%.
Well today they gave 100% and came up just short due to a lack of polish.
I am shattered but not as much as the players and I am proud of them
Bring on 2011

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

I'm interested in how people viewed Davies game?

IMO he did a good job, another positive in that he got a finals game under his belt. Games like today are worth their weight in gold compared to regular season games.

get rid of the hacks · **Joined:** Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:53 am **Posts:** 1194

Pafloyul wrote:

99prelim wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Ellard a liability??? You've got to be joking?? :roll:

Totally agree with you Rexy

If you look at in abstract fashion it's not so ridiculous. If Ellard himself was not a liability on the day then the prospect of relying too heavily on rookie list players with weaknesses just might be. It's symbolic, if we are to bring in more talent from somewhere then, theoretically, someone must be pushed aside. There is a point when the idea of having players simply 'doing their bit' becomes effectively redundant. I don't know if everyone at Carlton acknowledges that. Games are there to be won, not preserved.

I'm with you Paf.
Ellard tries his heart out and was our best option for the role BUT we need to find someone better to play that role. We need 2 or 3 good inside mids and we need to improve on the group of Brock, Ellard and Hadley. Yes he gets a lot of tackles like Bentick used to get a lot of tackles, but we need players that win the stoppages decisively which I dont think he does yet. His footskills are not at a very high level when he does get it in space.
But much respect to him for the way he goes about it.

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

Rafalution wrote:

I'm interested in how people viewed Davies game?

IMO he did a good job, another positive in that he got a finals game under his belt. Games like today are worth their weight in gold compared to regular season games.

Tractor Boy · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:22 pm

In 2009 we were coming...
2010 they could smell what we're cooking.

2011 will be time to serve it up..... Top 4 is what should be expected and anything less than a win in the finals series should be seen as a failure..

The positives this year far out weigh the negatives. This is and will be as bad as it gets for the next 5-7 years...

We have been knocking on the door, 2011 we will crash through it !

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:22 pm

Rafalution wrote:

I'm interested in how people viewed Davies game?

IMO he did a good job, another positive in that he got a finals game under his belt. Games like today are worth their weight in gold compared to regular season games.

Great Effort!
Great Poise!

Lets persist with him !!!! :thumbsup:

Donstuie · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:24 pm

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Rafalution wrote:

I'm interested in how people viewed Davies game?

IMO he did a good job, another positive in that he got a finals game under his belt. Games like today are worth their weight in gold compared to regular season games.

I really like what Im seeing with Davies. Think we may have found a player there.

McConville33 · **Joined:** Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:58 pm **Posts:** 78

Bluey44 wrote:

Rafalution wrote:

I'm interested in how people viewed Davies game?

IMO he did a good job, another positive in that he got a finals game under his belt. Games like today are worth their weight in gold compared to regular season games.

Great Effort!
Great Poise!

Lets persist with him !!!! :thumbsup:

Battled and NOT up to it but he has friends in that area

Navy One · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:29 pm

seanpb wrote:

Shot ourselves in the foot on a couple of key occasions, but my lord were we hosed on a couple of calls...

Joseph gets whacked in the head, nothing, play on Swans goal.

Mumford allowed to drop the ball on the wing, nothing, play on...

Walker blatantly held in the first and last quarters in the forward 50. Nothing, play on.

Judd spear tackled by Jack, Murphy remonstrates, Swans free.

And more...

flower hell.

Judd, however, was absolutely immense. His best game for the club, I think.

To add to this Ellard must be the only guy this year who 'attempts' to kick whilst getting tackled and gets pinged. This happened in our forward 50 and he even got boot to ball.

The wheel will turn :wink:

livolover · **Joined:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:39 am **Posts:** 209

kingkerna wrote:

Haven't been this devastated since the 1988 preliminary final, god it hurts. Only place to turn to is here. Nobody else understands.

so true kk...

gutted to the core....

will try to hold my fire till the light of day !!!

for now just an ode to the captain....leadership with a capital L.

still trying to work out how a team can lose in spite of one of the most valiant individual performances I have witnessed !

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:34 pm

Navy One wrote:

seanpb wrote:

Shot ourselves in the foot on a couple of key occasions, but my lord were we hosed on a couple of calls...

Joseph gets whacked in the head, nothing, play on Swans goal.

Mumford allowed to drop the ball on the wing, nothing, play on...

Walker blatantly held in the first and last quarters in the forward 50. Nothing, play on.

Judd spear tackled by Jack, Murphy remonstrates, Swans free.

And more...

flower hell.

Judd, however, was absolutely immense. His best game for the club, I think.

To add to this Ellard must be the only guy this year who 'attempts' to kick whilst getting tackled and gets pinged. This happened in our forward 50 and he even got boot to ball.

The wheel will turn :wink:

Agreed.

Goodes did exactly the same thing.

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

It hurts. It really hurts.

But maybe that's a good thing...

We put up a better fight this weekend than the Hawks & the Dogs did.

In the last 3 weeks, we've played the Cats, the Dockers and the Swans. We've done OK against each, but we've been found out against three teams that deserve to be in the top 6.

Before the season started, with Fev & Stevo gone, not many expected us to make the finals. But we managed to make the finals and, although we lost, we went down swinging. This is little comfort right now, but I hope in retrospect we are able to dwell at the positives, rather than the negatives...

Having said that, it still hurts like hell. And that might be a positive in itself...

TheGame · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:39 pm

aboynamedsue wrote:

Before the season started, with Fev & Stevo gone, not many expected us to make the finals. But we managed to make the finals and, although we lost, we went down swinging.

On the same token at the start of the year we were expected to finish higher than Freo and Sydney.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8183

ERNIE SOS wrote:

Time to trade Betts CRAP AGAIN.

Wonder how he ended up our leading goalkicker.?.hmmmmmm

What we have to look at with Betts is why in the last 2 years he seems to have run out of puff after round 17-18 after being brilliant beforehand. Up to that stage he was highly considered as an All Australian. Given he is our leading goalkicking it's something we have to work out as that aspect alone is way too important to be missing out on late in a a year.

club29 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:42 pm

Spare a thought for Ratts. Up against one of the best coaches going around. Rumoured that the coach was offered Ratts job.
Ratts turns up with an inexpereinced team that has been travelling the nation for the last week to take on a bunch of premiership players and a duel brownlow medalist on their own turf.
Here was Ratts chance to make a statement . His plans seem to be working a treat up until halfway through the last quarter when his best laid plans fail when some of his best players let him down with their goalkicking and silly mistakes.

He must be spewing.

Chin up Ratts ! it was a great effort anyway. Keep working hard and the results will come. This team is only going to get better.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8183

RickJ wrote:

Virgin Blue wrote:

I'm not going to praise anyone. Losing is unacceptable for us. Betts and Waite lost us the game. Betts has done sfa for the past two months. Can't hold a mark to save himself. And waites two missed gls were gimmes, mentally choked under pressure. We need a new defense. Bower n jamo don't deserve to be walk up starts. Defence is paper thin. Need it totally re-modelled. And robbo Just not enough polish. Should trade betts. Garlett n yazz are better do betts becomes surplus to our needs. Amazing two of our most experienced in betts n Waite cost us the game.

Agree VB our defence is shaky. Jamo and Bower can play but hopelessly out of form and totally lacking confidence in second half of season. Disagree about Robbo. Hard as nails. Need a feral at the base of packs. Makes up for our general lack of defensive pressure. Eddie missing again, what to do.

Overall verdict: FAIL 2010
Once again Roos > Ratten

That last part is so wrong on so many counts. Ratten coaching was terrific today (bar playing Gibbs on Goodes). Forced Roos to change his game plan in the last qtr after the tactics and pressure in the 3rd.

2010 was a pass. Just that bad patch after round 11 made it look worse.

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