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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:40 am 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
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Do they really not know the rules in Perth, or are they just that parochial?

Yes they are.

It's also the same in Adelaide, and when when non-Victorian teams play in Victoria.

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Umpires should not be noticed. They should not guess and they should be consistent. Unfortunately they're being noticed, they are guessing far too often and they're seldom consistent.

Consistency is my major bugbear.

I can handle rules being called a certain way, as long as it's fair, and equal for everyone.


EXACTLY!

Pay the shit soft ones for one team? Pay em for the other team, and not in junk time of the 4th quarter.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:00 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:40 am 
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No they don't....

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:48 am 
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The weirdest one for me was when Betts lead out to the pocket in the 3rd, was pushed/chopped over the line by McPharlin and it was just a throw in. I don't know if anyone else noticed that one...



Notice it??

Nearly jumped through the TV!

The commentators made no mention of it and no replay was shown for confirmation! :mad:


Nearly broke a number of items in the room at that non-decision.

Imagine if that was Pav - would have been an immediate free.

One other laughable decision was Hasleby lining up Bower and Bower getting nothing, then Bower (rightly) being pinged for holding the ball. But how no free was given to Bower was incredible.

At one point Commetti finally said something about players being allowed to drop the ball - I think it was Roberton who had it then simply dropped the ball yet no free was paid.

Why don't these @#$%&! write it into the rules that you're allowed to drop the ball or throw it...would save us so much energy.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:17 am 
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Effes wrote:
At one point Commetti finally said something about players being allowed to drop the ball - I think it was Roberton who had it then simply dropped the ball yet no free was paid.

Why don't these !@#$%& write it into the rules that you're allowed to drop the ball or throw it...would save us so much energy.

Don't blame the umpires for this (and I'm not saying that you are).

Blame the AFL Laws of the Game Committee.

Adrian Anderson (chairman), Kevin Bartlett, Luke Darcy, Brendon Gale, Leigh Mathews, Andrew McKay, Matthew Pavlich, Rowan Sawers, Michael Sexton.

The rules specifically state that you can't throw the ball.

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15.3.2 Incorrect Disposal and Payment of Free Kick
When the football is in play, a Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player who hands the football to another Player or throws the football.

However they have made it almost impossible to ping someone for dropping the ball.

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15.2.4 Application — Specific Instances where Play shall Continue
For the avoidance of doubt, the field Umpire shall allow play to continue when:
(a) a Player is bumped and the football falls from the Player’s hands;
(b) a Player’s arm is knocked which causes the Player to lose possession of the football;
(c) a Player’s arms are pinned to his or her side by an opponent which causes the Player to drop the football, unless the Player has had a prior opportunity to Correctly Dispose of the football, in which case Law 15.2.3 (a) shall apply;
(d) a Player, whilst in the act of Kicking or Handballing, is swung off-balance and does not make contact with the football by either foot or hand, unless the Player has had a prior opportunity to Correctly Dispose of the football, in which case Law 15.2.3 (a) shall apply; or
(e) a Player is pulled or swung by one arm which causes the football to fall from the Player’s hands, unless the Player has had a prior opportunity to Correctly Dispose of the football, in which case Law 15.2.3 (a) shall apply.

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15.2.3 Holding the Football — Prior Opportunity/No Prior Opportunity
Where the field Umpire is satisfied that a Player in possession of the football:
(a) has had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if the Player does not Kick or Handball the football immediately when he or she is Correctly Tackled; or
(b) has not had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if, upon being Correctly Tackled, the Player does not Correctly Dispose or attempt to Correctly Dispose of the football after being given a reasonable opportunity to do so.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:33 am 
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Freo consistently held onto the ball for too long, and disposed incorrectly all night, but the umpires just turned a blind eye. Useless maggots!! :mad:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:21 am 
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The umpires last night confirmed how important it was to have a HOME FINAL against an interstate side!! 100% home crowd bias

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:27 am 
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brad2311 wrote:
The umpires last night confirmed how important it was to have a HOME FINAL against an interstate side!! 100% home crowd bias


+ how much the AFL wanted an interstate final. :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:58 am 
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bluedog wrote:
seanpb wrote:

The weirdest one for me was when Betts lead out to the pocket in the 3rd, was pushed/chopped over the line by McPharlin and it was just a throw in. I don't know if anyone else noticed that one...



Notice it??

Nearly jumped through the TV!

The commentators made no mention of it and no replay was shown for confirmation! :mad:


It certainly was fairly obvious to me. Along with some of the others mentioned. It's not entirely surprising, as umpires inevitably umpire to the crowd noise to a fair extent. Unfortunately by squandering some chances earlier in the year to win games we should have, we're going to have to face the same issue next week in the finals.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:03 pm 
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did anyone notice the free kick in the centre square against us, when pav picked up the ball and was slung which led to 50m being paid and a PAV shot on goal. The original free kick was to another freo player, not to pav, why did pav get get the shot on goal???

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:46 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
did anyone notice the free kick in the centre square against us, when pav picked up the ball and was slung which led to 50m being paid and a PAV shot on goal. The original free kick was to another freo player, not to pav, why did pav get get the shot on goal???


Notice it? :mad: :mad: :mad:

I don't understand how the @#$%&! that was a 50 in the first place?? The player that received the free kick was Mundy, Pavlich picked up the ball and was tackled - how is that 50 to Pavlich and/or Freo? If Mundy was tackled fair enough, but what was Grigg supposed to do, let Pavlich run off when advantage was paid?

Umpires weren't the reason we lost the game, but they sapped any momentum we had at critical times throughout the match.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:38 pm 
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Free kick to Sandilands at the ruck contest in the centre square
Umpire: "You jumped straight into him and didnt get anywhere near the ball"
Warnock got his hand to the ball you freaking moron!!!!

McPharlin gets away with a clear throw in the back pocket
Umpire: "He attempted to handball, that's all he has to do"
No you moron, he has to dispose of the ball properly when he has had prior opportunity.

Others:

- Waite pushed in the back (and then collected with a heavy bump), no different to the hand in the back that Pavlich got against Jamison
- Bower collected high twice and then pinged for holding the ball


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:14 pm 
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There were horrendous calls last night

- Mcpharlin pushing Betts straight in the back..no free..no shot at goal
- McPharlin throwing the ball over his head next to the point post..you guessed it, no free..no shot at goal
- Bower collected in the head twice in 10 secs..no free, gets pinged for holding the ball (right call)..goal
- Warnock isnt allowed to contest a centre square ruck contest because "you jumped into him"..therefore from now on, ruckman are not allowed to jump..WTF
- Fyfe spun 3 times, allowed to continue on...goal to Freo..
- Morabito, gets tackled fairly, throws his head back when he knows he is gone...free kick
- Grigg tackles Pav in the continuation of a play, 50 metres...when it wasnt Pavs free kick anyway
- Hendersons mark by the post..not paid..no shot at goal.
- Freo players tackled and either throw the ball away, or just drop it..play on


Have i missed any??


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:23 pm 
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I would add Waite being pushed off the marking contest by McPharlin late in the game, no intent for the ball, just shoved Waite sideways after he jumped for the mark. was about 15m out from our goal

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:39 pm 
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We give away too many head high frees bec we are 2nd to ball too much - contested ball at half time Freo miles ahead

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:46 pm 
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i am bloody sick and tired of people saying blame the rules committee, how long is it gonna take the football world to realise there is actual cheating going on by the umpires most weeks, they have become masters of it its the only thing they do well, it was almost proven a couple of years ago at a fremantle stkilda game when that stain hutchy overheard the little maggots on the plane. but we just cop it and say nothing as a club! its about time we came out in the media and went at them hard!!! like hird did , cop the fine its worth it, mclaren hardly paid a free against the evil ones for 5 years after that! or pick setanta for next week pepper him with irish jokes for an hour before the game.. spike his gatorade and then tell him to go cam cloke on the umpires! hurt them! hurt them bad!! MAKE THOSE EVIL TURDS ACCOUNTABLE

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:41 pm 
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yibbida wrote:
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Sandilands appears to be able to do pretty much whatever he wants in the ruck (maul, grapple, sling) and get away with it


Spot on. Watching live, the man cheats at every ruck contest.


I posted during the game that his standard ruck method is to get the back position, then shove his opponent squarely in the back as the ball arrives giving him free reign to swat the ball wherever he likes.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:43 pm 
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its funny that when we started winning the contested ball at the start of the 1st and throughout the entire last quarter the umpires werent a factor at all..


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:02 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
its funny that when we started winning the contested ball at the start of the 1st and throughout the entire last quarter the umpires werent a factor at all..


Which came first though, the winning of the contested ball, or the lack of soft frees going the other way in seemingly every contest?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:29 pm 
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Does anyone else find this thread embarrassing?


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