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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:22 am 
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I thought Eddie was awful, that dropped mark in the first started the rot, we would've gone 3 goals up instead they take it up the other end and score, it changed the game, swayed the momentum IMO. I would seriously consider dropping him after the past month or so. If he can't take his opportunities then he's no good to us.



Absolutely spot on. That under 10's mark he dropped absolutely killed us for the game.


I dont think he will be dropped. He deserves to be but i dont think it will happen in this weeks final.

He made some bad errors but also did some good thngs early. 2nd and 3rd quarters were terrible but opportunities were rare.
That is the problem i guess. The opportunities that did pop up he didnt take.

His last quarter was better. Lets hope he has turned the corner and has a big one next week.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:29 am 
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There are 3 players at Carlton who every side knows if they curb their influence they will go a long way to winning the game.

Chris Judd
Eddie Betts
Bryce Gibbs (Clubs are more than happy for him to be in our backline)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:35 am 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:

I thought Ratts was stupid in letting Hill run free in the second half, it clearly cost us all momentum and the game. He set up both Freo's goals in the last term and repelled two of our attacks. By the time Ratts put someone on halfway through the last the damage was done. Stupid stupid coaching, Hill is arguably the most damaging player on the ground, to let him run amok without a player to run with him was just plain ludicrous!!



I think they said that Ratts had Carrots on Hill as the matchup and when he went off with a hammy, it left a tagger down for Hill.

Looking at the team all year, we don't have balance right with regards to body shape in our recruiting. Too many times we are out muscled at contests and brushed aside too easily, especially in defence. If we are going to go deeper in finals, we are going to need to change some of our training and/or recruiting to get a better balance of footballers and athletes


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:38 am 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:

I thought Ratts was stupid in letting Hill run free in the second half, it clearly cost us all momentum and the game. He set up both Freo's goals in the last term and repelled two of our attacks. By the time Ratts put someone on halfway through the last the damage was done. Stupid stupid coaching, Hill is arguably the most damaging player on the ground, to let him run amok without a player to run with him was just plain ludicrous!!



I think they said that Ratts had Carrots on Hill as the matchup and when he went off with a hammy, it left a tagger down for Hill.

Looking at the team all year, we don't have balance right with regards to body shape in our recruiting. Too many times we are out muscled at contests and brushed aside too easily, especially in defence. If we are going to go deeper in finals, we are going to need to change some of our training and/or recruiting to get a better balance of footballers and athletes



Could have tried Yarran on Hill. Yaz has the pace to go with him and skills to hurt him the other way. Would have been a good learning curve and test for Yarran.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:43 am 
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WE lost because:

Sandilands murdered us
Our passing by foot was as bad as I have seen this year, with kicks dropping at the feet of the intended target.
We just do not learn to defend against teams who run the footy from half back through the centre square. Freo and Essendon* have done it to us for years and NOBODY on the coaching panel seems to remember.
The frees in the first half that gave them shots at goal. The frees count wasn't lopsided but most of ours were in the back half.

At least they went over there to play footy and had Carazzo been available all game with his customary 25 possessions and a bit of a run-with role against Hill, we may well have fallen over the line. Next week's selections need to take into account the opponent.

If we play Sydney, we need players who are in and under at the stoppages (Hadley/McLean) as well as those who can exploit the open spaces. As usual Gibbs will be wasted running with Goodes. The three amigos will be handy there at ANZ, which is a bigger ground than the SCG. Jetta will be one to watch out for as he tore us a new one in the pre-season.

If we play Freo again, which apparently isn't likely, we need more pace and maybe Ando or Walker can fill that role. If Walker plays he has to play midfield though.

I am more confident we can beat Sydney at ANZ than Sydney at the SCG or Ethiad. They like the game in close but we like space. And I reckon we could beat Freo next week if we can recover fron the trip. Our boys had the momentum in the last, despite the infamous Freo Forfeit and had the game gone another two minutes, we's have won it. Almost did anyway except for Eddie's bad miss in the last and Waite's at the death.

Bring it on, I say.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:50 am 
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Eddie Betts is absolutely devoid of confidence in front of goal at the moment and is becoming a liability. I love him but I wanted to punch him last night.

Robbo is just a shocking kick generally and his mindless attack on the ball and man is admirable but quite often costly as he over commits and puts himself out of the contest or gives away free kicks.

Hendo is a great kick at goal but his field kicking, particularly that last pass he butchered with 2 mins to go (at which point I nearly threw something at the tv), needs a lot of work.

I kind of just expect Bower to do what he does so it didn't frustrate me as much as others.

I dip my lid to Armfield. He was fantastic last night and his line breaking and kicking is better than Judd at the moment.

Ellard is making great progress every week. Loved that left foot goal in the last.

Gibbs was outstanding in the backline. His marking is top shelf at the moment.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:01 am 
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Murphy is a gun and was our best by a mile, for the second week in a row.
Judd got a lot of it, didn't have a massive influence on the game other than a couple of passages of play.
Gibbs was very good down back. Was holding us together there for a while. We really need a reliable user of the ball down there so we can use Gibbs as more of an attacking weapon.
Simpson was very good. I maintain that this guy is very under rated. Has a lot of heart.
Grigg was our best inside mid I thought. We really have to keep this guy or we'll have another hole in the side. Of Hadley, McClean and Grigg, Grigg has been the best by a streak and is the only one that really imposes himself on the game.
Ellard battled hard. I like this guy. Goes in hard and plays with passion.


Ok. Who the flower was on Hill? It's not the amount of times he got the ball, but just how much space he was in when he got it. There were a few clearances where Sandilands belted it over the pack and Hill was there 5 metres clear of anyone and just took off. You've got to pay dangerous players like this more respect, especially when the opposing ruckman is 11 foot tall.

Entry into our forward line was very ordinary again for the majority of the game.
I like Davies but for the final we've got to go with more experience. Bring Walker in and somehow try and get him to produce his early season form which was superb.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:02 am 
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Firstly to SLYUSS the clueless one is you!!!!
now to the game, was dissapointed in the 2nd and 3rd but even then we never let them get away from us, some may say the poor kicking at goal kept us in it, I would like to say some good pressure forced the poor kicking. Our tackling was great tonight we got beaten in the ruck but Warnock still held his own for a lot of the game and will only keep getting better. Bower struggled Jamo did ok but not great. Carrots held Hill early and when injured hill started to get into the game. Yarran should never have been selected, two ordinary games in the VFL should not get you into such an important game, Ando would have been a better option. Eddie struggled (again) but did some nice things in the last Scotland looked pretty good up forward. We need to do more to protect Juddy from that knob Mcphee but was wrapped with Murph's game he ticked all the boxes tonight. Overall dissapointing loss but not one we should slash our wrists over

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:03 am 
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Blues87 wrote:
Eddie Betts is absolutely devoid of confidence in front of goal at the moment and is becoming a liability. I love him but I wanted to punch him last night.

Robbo is just a shocking kick generally and his mindless attack on the ball and man is admirable but quite often costly as he over commits and puts himself out of the contest or gives away free kicks.

Hendo is a great kick at goal but his field kicking, particularly that last pass he butchered with 2 mins to go (at which point I nearly threw something at the tv), needs a lot of work.

I kind of just expect Bower to do what he does so it didn't frustrate me as much as others.

I dip my lid to Armfield. He was fantastic last night and his line breaking and kicking is better than Judd at the moment.

Ellard is making great progress every week. Loved that left foot goal in the last.

Gibbs was outstanding in the backline. His marking is top shelf at the moment.

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SHOW THE PLAYER WITH THE BALL AND THE SURROUNDING 10 - 15 METRES. That is all.


GOod post. I agree with all of that.

Bower made some blunders but he also did some nice attacking play that helped swing momentum at various stages of the game. THe main mistake for me was his positioning at that contest that Hill snapped that goal. He looked lost there.
He battled on and although clearly out of form wasnt our worse. I quite like it when he has teh ball as something is going to happen.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:04 am 
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Pretty obvious I think. Syluss is a troll. Why is it he/she mostly only posts after we lose big games? And it is mostly having pot shots at the team and coach. Got nothing better to do I suppose.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:11 am 
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Player/Coach review:

Ratten: You should not be coaching next year you are a disgrace and have no idea what you are doing. Stop destroying the limited talent we have at the club.

M.Davies: Should not play in the final. Clearly not up to scratch and should NEVER have been selected by our useless coach.

M.Jamison: What the hell is this guy's problem. He craps his dacks and grabs his direct opponent CLEARLY infringing. Your typical Carlton moron

A.Joseph: Tried hard all day in the packs, which is more than I can say for 9/10 of the players. Still, not AFL standard.

D.Armfield: One of our best runners. Battled hard all day, but is defensively not up to standard.

P.Bower: This guy is the worst in our side. He has absolutely no idea what to do when the ball is in the air. Absolute lemon of a player and should be traded for whatever we can get for him.

J.Russell: Athletic, but like Jamison has serious brain fades where he clearly infringes. Lucky not to have more free kicks paid against him.

K.Simpson: An absolute gem of a player and should clearly win our B&F hands down. Tonight he was our ONLY A class midfielder. Murphy was a B+

C.Judd: This poor guy has fought hard all season, but with selfish players who do not protect him... what chance does he have. One of his worst games for the CFC. Playing injured?

S.Grigg: Will be a good player, but clearly not up to AFL standard quite yet. But at least the kid has a dip unlike most of our players.

C.Yarran: Show pony who needs to learn how to get a hard ball. It's all good and well to do 2-3 amazing flashy things in a game, but when you don't put the runs on the board you are a waste of space.

J.Waite: Top marks for this bloke. Genuine trier and would bleed for the Navy Blue.

A.Carrazzo: Probably did the team a favour by getting injured. This guy has terrible disposal and is a serious liability... played a bad game today :razz:

J.Garlett: Best of the small forwards by a country mile. But still goes missing like the other 2. Still... keep trying Jeffy.

L.Henderson: Hedo is a great find. I had my doubts about him at the start of the season. However, I think he will be fantastic. Now the delivery to him needs to be improved. (Sack the skills coach... Bradley?)

E.Betts: This guy is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!! Bower is the worst player in our side. But Betts is the biggest disappointment. Showed so much before he signed his contract. We are paying this d*ckhead $1.9M when we need to be retaining players like Grigg.

R.Warnock: Battled hard, but Sandilands was way too good. We kicked to stupid 1 on 1s where Nockers was outbodied. Not his fault.

M.Murphy: Great game, but had little support. The rest of the mids (exception of Simpson) should hang their heads in shame

B.Gibbs: Great game in defense. Only thing holding it together (if it is together). Needs to give Bower and Jamison a kick on the arse cos those 2 are useless

D.Ellard: Not up to it... delist... next

S.Hampson: Trade to Gold Coast for a packet of chips. Did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TONIGHT

M.Robinson: Needs to go back to the little league and learn how to kick the ball and hold a mark. Will be a good player because he has a go. Unlike the rest of the side. However, should still be omitted come next week.

H.Scotland: Did nothing... Delist at end of season. Make room for some youngsters (Lucas)


Summary: Game was an absolute disgrace. When the game was there to be won we folded like Collingwood in September. The margin flattered us. Everyone with the exception of Gibbs, Simpson, Murphy and Waite need to have a good, hard, long look at themselves.


Disgrace? We lost by 6 points not 60 points. Freo was the better team, they had Sandilands.

Scotland did some great things when we needed it. Ellard plays with heart, I suspect Ratten tells him to concentrate on putting his body on the line for Judd.

Pretty unfair assessment of a team that lost by 6 points. Did you do a summary after the Collingwood loss?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:25 am 
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Captain Dan wrote:
Pretty obvious I think. Syluss is a troll. Why is it he/she mostly only posts after we lose big games? And it is mostly having pot shots at the team and coach. Got nothing better to do I suppose.


I can tell you straight away after reading that crap that it's the work of murph_you_ripper who's been suspended from CSC and who only comes on to rubbish players after a loss, his favourite whipping boys being Ratts and Carrazzo (note the :razz: after the Carrazzo comments).

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:30 am 
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Elusive Turtle wrote:
Three reasons we lost tonight.
1- Couldn't hold a tackle to save themselves, when players from Hill, Morabito, Walters to Johnson, Sandi & Pav are allshruggin us off theres something wrong.

2- Clearance work, always were left on the opposite side of the pack. leavin them to run off in numbers.

3- Hate to single out one bloke but P.Bower was shockin and has been for weeks. When we lost the 3-4 quick goals in the third i think he was the bloke gettin beat EVERY time. Too often gets pushed aside, out positioned and out marked notto mention the tackles broken and frees he gives away. If thornton plays well bring him in. Jamo similar, he was VERY lucky not to give away like 10 frees.

Also Davies is a passenger at present, cant afford to carry him.


Hit the nail on the head in all 3 points.

I too believe that we couldn't hold tackles, just like what happened against the cats. Is it because we are undersized or too slow?

Clearance work flogged us. I knew once Sandilands came back in, we were in trouble. How many times did you see Sandilands tap it to a Docker and they are away into their forward line = Too many! Having said that, I thought Warnock did pretty well against him.

Bower at the moment is a joke. The opposition target him every single time and he is making our backline look vulnerable. We need any defender to help them out, like you said T-Bird needs to come back in.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:35 am 
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Eddie Betts is absolutely devoid of confidence in front of goal at the moment and is becoming a liability. I love him but I wanted to punch him last night.


Isn't that the Ben Cousins defence for Daniel Connors?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:35 am 
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AK43 wrote:
Slyuss wrote:
Player/Coach review:

Ratten: You should not be coaching next year you are a disgrace and have no idea what you are doing. Stop destroying the limited talent we have at the club.

M.Davies: Should not play in the final. Clearly not up to scratch and should NEVER have been selected by our useless coach.

M.Jamison: What the hell is this guy's problem. He craps his dacks and grabs his direct opponent CLEARLY infringing. Your typical Carlton moron

A.Joseph: Tried hard all day in the packs, which is more than I can say for 9/10 of the players. Still, not AFL standard.

D.Armfield: One of our best runners. Battled hard all day, but is defensively not up to standard.

P.Bower: This guy is the worst in our side. He has absolutely no idea what to do when the ball is in the air. Absolute lemon of a player and should be traded for whatever we can get for him.

J.Russell: Athletic, but like Jamison has serious brain fades where he clearly infringes. Lucky not to have more free kicks paid against him.

K.Simpson: An absolute gem of a player and should clearly win our B&F hands down. Tonight he was our ONLY A class midfielder. Murphy was a B+

C.Judd: This poor guy has fought hard all season, but with selfish players who do not protect him... what chance does he have. One of his worst games for the CFC. Playing injured?

S.Grigg: Will be a good player, but clearly not up to AFL standard quite yet. But at least the kid has a dip unlike most of our players.

C.Yarran: Show pony who needs to learn how to get a hard ball. It's all good and well to do 2-3 amazing flashy things in a game, but when you don't put the runs on the board you are a waste of space.

J.Waite: Top marks for this bloke. Genuine trier and would bleed for the Navy Blue.

A.Carrazzo: Probably did the team a favour by getting injured. This guy has terrible disposal and is a serious liability... played a bad game today :razz:

J.Garlett: Best of the small forwards by a country mile. But still goes missing like the other 2. Still... keep trying Jeffy.

L.Henderson: Hedo is a great find. I had my doubts about him at the start of the season. However, I think he will be fantastic. Now the delivery to him needs to be improved. (Sack the skills coach... Bradley?)

E.Betts: This guy is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!! Bower is the worst player in our side. But Betts is the biggest disappointment. Showed so much before he signed his contract. We are paying this d*ckhead $1.9M when we need to be retaining players like Grigg.

R.Warnock: Battled hard, but Sandilands was way too good. We kicked to stupid 1 on 1s where Nockers was outbodied. Not his fault.

M.Murphy: Great game, but had little support. The rest of the mids (exception of Simpson) should hang their heads in shame

B.Gibbs: Great game in defense. Only thing holding it together (if it is together). Needs to give Bower and Jamison a kick on the arse cos those 2 are useless

D.Ellard: Not up to it... delist... next

S.Hampson: Trade to Gold Coast for a packet of chips. Did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TONIGHT

M.Robinson: Needs to go back to the little league and learn how to kick the ball and hold a mark. Will be a good player because he has a go. Unlike the rest of the side. However, should still be omitted come next week.

H.Scotland: Did nothing... Delist at end of season. Make room for some youngsters (Lucas)


Summary: Game was an absolute disgrace. When the game was there to be won we folded like Collingwood in September. The margin flattered us. Everyone with the exception of Gibbs, Simpson, Murphy and Waite need to have a good, hard, long look at themselves.


How can you blame Ratts when 16 of our 22 players are, IYHO so terrible. If the players are that bad then he's a coaching genius to get us within a goal of a rested Freo at their home ground with only 6 AFL standard players to work with.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:37 am 
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Umpires cost us the game. Full stop. End of story.

We would have smashed them if it wasn't for the yellow bellies.



In fact, we would have won 30 premierships if it weren't for the umps.....oh woe is us

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:44 am 
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Disappointing loss but you've got to admire the fightback especially being one player short for pretty much all game. Definitely need a bigger bodied player in the middle. You have to admire Ellard's tackles on Pavlich in the centre. Anyway it appears that Sydney will most likely be our next stop. On the bright side we're working our way down Australia's East Coast. Next year we'll play our first final in Melbourne.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:45 am 
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Elusive Turtle wrote:
Three reasons we lost tonight.
1- Couldn't hold a tackle to save themselves, when players from Hill, Morabito, Walters to Johnson, Sandi & Pav are allshruggin us off theres something wrong.

2- Clearance work, always were left on the opposite side of the pack. leavin them to run off in numbers.

3- Hate to single out one bloke but P.Bower was shockin and has been for weeks. When we lost the 3-4 quick goals in the third i think he was the bloke gettin beat EVERY time. Too often gets pushed aside, out positioned and out marked notto mention the tackles broken and frees he gives away. If thornton plays well bring him in. Jamo similar, he was VERY lucky not to give away like 10 frees.

Also Davies is a passenger at present, cant afford to carry him.



Agree with all of that (maybe a bit harsh on Davies) Add in three more
4 - The flowering WORST kick in strategies in the league. Either a nothing kick barely 15 metre or a kick to a contest that we lose more often than not

5 - Laziest runners in the AFL. Our opposition always find space around the ground and we've always got an opponent up our arse whenever the ball is kicked from another carlton player

6 - Judd and Simmo are the only mids who get down and dirty in packs

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:06 am 
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oh, and next time we play Fremantle, could someone play on Mundy...kills us every time.



I think you will find Carrots was ear marked for that role

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:03 pm 
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What really annoyed me was 2 minutes to go on the clock , dockers 6 points up . One on one between not sure who and AJ. He knocked it through for a point instead of trying to wing the contest . When that happened we had no chance if winning anymore.

Sums us up really, they don't back themselves.


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