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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:43 pm 
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Tigers are paying $3.30.... needless to say im on for some insurance


So how much money did you lose?

Oh wait...I bet you changed your mind...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:34 am 
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Excellent result for us against one of our fiercest longtime rivals.
Nice percentage boost that should cement a final 8 spot.
On track for a top 6 finish which would be a pass mark IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:26 am 
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A couple of things I remember

One of the Richmond players tried to handball over Warnock's head and Robbie just lazily stuck his arm up and plucked it out of the air.

Late in the second quarter there was a complete comedy of errors by our boys in the Richmond foward 50 - I think it was Murph, JR and Gibbs who all fumbled liked the ball was covered in butter.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:27 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
hollywood43 wrote:
Tigers are paying $3.30.... needless to say im on for some insurance


So how much money did you lose?

Oh wait...I bet you changed your mind...



I lost $25 on Richmond (who were paying $4)


Ahhh well. I'd glady loose $100 if it meant a Carlton win. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:32 am 
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Let's not get too carried away, they were shite and we should have won by 100 points or more. Our first quarter was so bad that had we been playing a half-decent team, we'd have been three or four goals behind at quarter time.

Hendo had a great game and that merk he snapped up in front of his face from a Judd bullet was truly good. I think his confidence will jump a lot after such a good first half and he will have a good 2011 after putting on a few kilos over summer.

Warnock ditto. Nice mark and goal at the end but pretty good all day.

Grigg gets better every week.

Waite has to start holding a few more marks and he can be an 80+ goal a season forward.

Garlett was mercurial again. Gibbs got a lot of easy touches but did a bit of hard stuff again. I still reckon he's not giving his 100% though. he looks lackadaisical, even a bit lazy sometimes. But he is good, no doubt about it.

I'll take the win any day but our intensity will have to be a bit higher next week when we will be on the back foot most of the day. Slow start next week = massacre.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:44 am 
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ryan2000 wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
hollywood43 wrote:
Tigers are paying $3.30.... needless to say im on for some insurance


So how much money did you lose?

Oh wait...I bet you changed your mind...



I lost $25 on Richmond (who were paying $4)


Ahhh well. I'd glady loose $100 if it meant a Carlton win. :thumbsup:



loose /lus/ Show Spelled [loos] Show IPA adjective, loos·er, loos·est, adverb, verb loosed, loos·ing.
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I bet on a lot of things but against carlton? never. just isn't right.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:46 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Gibbs got a lot of easy touches but did a bit of hard stuff again. I still reckon he's not giving his 100% though. he looks lackadaisical, even a bit lazy sometimes. But he is good, no doubt about it.


I recon he's the same as always...but a few years back he would be described as one of those players who makes the game look effortless and always had time and space...i think him looking 'lackadaisical' is not him not trying, thats just the way it looks with Gibbs. it happens to some sportsmen ie Federer, who even in a grand slam final looks so composed and the lack of emotion at times looks like he's not even into it (not quite an even comparison but you get what i mean).

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:39 am 
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It depends what you mean by not giving 100%, but its an outregeous claim to make.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:03 am 
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What I mean is that there are times when he could give a shepherd after a handball or run between our bloke and someone chasing instead of just running beside the contest. If you've ever played sport at any level you'd have to agree.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:29 am 
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That may be the case BS. Saying he isn't giving 100% implies something else

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:54 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
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At $3.30 for Richmond, I'm whacking $50 on em for insurance. .



I lost $25 on Richmond (who were paying $4)


Ahhh well. I'd glady loose $100 if it meant a Carlton win. :thumbsup:


By the end of the week, you wouldn't have bet on Richmond.
By next week, you would have put $100 on the Blues.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:31 pm 
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I hadn't been to a Carlton v Tiggers game for many a long day. They're still rubbish, as are their supporters. If I want to listen to half pissed bogans singing badly I'll go to the soccer; not that there's any chance of that. Mind, there's a few soccer teams who'd score more heavily than the Tiges.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:17 pm 
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I hadn't been to a Carlton v Tiggers game for many a long day. They're still rubbish, as are their supporters. If I want to listen to half pissed bogans singing badly I'll go to the soccer; not that there's any chance of that. Mind, there's a few soccer teams who'd score more heavily than the Tiges.


What amazes me about their supporters is that they will be the first to say "CARLTON ARE SHIT" despite the fact they are 15th, we are 6th and have beaten them heavily in our last few games against them.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:22 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
That may be the case BS. Saying he isn't giving 100% implies something else

OK, then,
I don't reckon he can be bothered doing the extra 1% sometimes, as in the above examples. Mind you, he isn't Robinson Crusoe. I've watched a couple of them kick or handball the footy and then just sit back and admire their handiwork.

Gibbs is getting it too easy where he is. Put him in the midfield where he should be. Make him work harder. He is, after all, a #1 pick and wasted in his current position.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
That may be the case BS. Saying he isn't giving 100% implies something else

OK, then,
I don't reckon he can be bothered doing the extra 1% sometimes, as in the above examples. Mind you, he isn't Robinson Crusoe. I've watched a couple of them kick or handball the footy and then just sit back and admire their handiwork.

Gibbs is getting it too easy where he is. Put him in the midfield where he should be. Make him work harder. He is, after all, a #1 pick and wasted in his current position.


I think you're being harsh on him by saying its a lack of effort. Maybe a lack of thought, concentration or emphasis on the little things.

As for him being wasted in his current position...well, thats been widely discussed here lately. I think you have to understand what his role and purpose is in defence is to accept it.

If you have trouble understanding how modern footy is played, you'll struggle to understand it.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:52 am 
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Gibbs has been awesome down back the last few weeks and we haven't really missed him in the midfield. That said, it would be a HUGE disappointment if Bryce doesn't become one of the elite mids in the comp!!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:58 am 
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Watched the game with TAFF at a bar called Frank's Place in Beijing.. Great bloke, fantastic to catch up with a fellow Taswegian and blues supporter in China! First game I've watched for 2 x months.. Good timing methinks.

Hendo looked the goods, and great to see Garlett backing up his form for the week earlier.

Back in Aus on Friday to see the big game.. I'm hopeful that the 'switched on' blues will turn up. Fingers crossed.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:42 am 
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A couple of observations.
Our forward line functions much better when Henderson is the lead up target. He has strength under the ball and has the ability to create a decent contest if he doesnt mark it.
I thought we really struggled when Waite became our lead up target in the 3rd quarter. He tries to take leaping chest marks instead of taking the ball overhead. That allowed Gourdis and Moore to come over the top easily and spoil the ball which cost us on a couple of occasions. We worked hard to win the centre clearance, only to see the ball coming back out with a 20 metre punch. Hendo ended up going back in the 3rd quarter to stem the flow which I thought was reactive. I'd prefer to see Henderson re-assume the CHF role and send waite back to the square as a lurking forward. The problem is, if Waitey cant start taking some overhead grabs in a contested situation, it will reduce our flexibility and make us too predictable to opposition sides.

I also noted Hendo gave Waitey a bit of a serve in the 3rd quarter when Henderson had the ball at half back and expected Waite to lead up to him. In the end the umpire called play on and we lost possession of the ball. To Waites credit, he put his hand up and acknowledged his mistake. Personally, I thought our forward line functioned quite well but it was the freedom allowed to our midfield that did the damage. That's not taking away from the work of our forwards, especially Henderson who is really impressing me with his hard work and smarts.

We also struggle to get to the front of enough marking contests around half forward. As a consequence, we dont get the crumbs from the spoils. If our half forwards or wingers could make more of a conscious effort to set up at least one player front and square, it could offer a couple of extra scoring opportunities per game.

I thought our backs were good and Jamo who has come in for a bit of grief of late was exceptional. I also thought Gibbs was very good as the loose and dropped back into traffic a couple of times. Just one issue, I noticed Richmond re-juggled during the 2nd quarter and AJ was the loose for about 7-10 minutes. I thought we were too slow to counter that. The players should have the smarts to adjust that without waiting for the coaches to adjust.

Warnock was very good and it was good seeing him jumping all over the Tiggers rucks. Surprisingly Hammer had excellent "hit to advantage" results which shows how quickly he's coming along. I thought the midfield worked hard although Simmo started on Nason in the first quarter and didn't show him enough respect. I also thought Murphy continued to improve although he too often ignores a better option and tries to do too much himself. You can get away with it against poor sides but the better sides will punish him for that. He needs to get into better habits now.

Personally, I thought it was a great effort with only the early innaccuracy continuing to be an issue. I hope Eddie is doing a lot of work on his goalkicking at the moment because his confidence is rock bottom at the moment. He's not that good a player that we can continue to carry that sort of poor execution for much longer.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:50 am 
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It really is inexcusable for a leading forward to be trying to take chest marks when putting their arms out will increase their chances of taking the mark and/or getting their arms chopped and receiving a free kick.

WRT Simpson/Nason I suppose we were fortunate that Nason is such a butcher/poor decision maker.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:57 pm 
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We also struggle to get to the front of enough marking contests around half forward. As a consequence, we dont get the crumbs from the spoils. If our half forwards or wingers could make more of a conscious effort to set up at least one player front and square, it could offer a couple of extra scoring opportunities per game.

This has been irritating me for weeks. There was one instance where Garlett stood only a metre away from the front of the pack, as if the ball was going to bounce flat down into his lap. He needs to give himself a greater separation from the pack in order to read the fall and react.

Eddie used to be the master at this; he would time a run past the spill perfectly and scoop up the ball with his minder in his wake. Garlett seemed to be learning this from him last season, but has changed tact this season. That said, Jeff is looking more and more like the run and carry midfielder I predicted him to become.

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