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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:54 pm 
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You could argue that Swan would be under a lot more pressure than Carrazzo or Walker when he has the ball.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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You could argue that. Doesn't mean it's true.

My memory of Swan over the years is that we always wonder why he's left on his own so much.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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FlipMode2 wrote:
You could argue that Swan would be under a lot more pressure than Carrazzo or Walker when he has the ball.


Very True

Swans Flower Ups and not as bad and embarrassing as Carrazzo or Walkers.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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If we had of got Tenace, he would still be on our list too.

We should have picked Cooney :thumbsup: :donk:

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:23 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
Walker has been extremely disappointing for a number 2 draft pick.

However I don't think we should trade him, because his trade value would be too low at the moment.

He's been tried all over the field, and whilst showing signs of brilliance everywhere; has yet to show any consistency anywhere.

So yeah, perhaps it is time to throw him in the guts, tell him to win his own ball rather than being a receiver; and use his athleticism to get to every contest.

Perhaps he can model himself on Dane Swan?

BTW which of these Effective Disposal Percentages is Swan, which is Walker, and just for shits and giggles which is Carrots?

78.32%

73.24%

72.20%


How many of Tex's kicks are waxing across half back i.e. kicking to a guy who is 40m in the clear ? Swan doesn't have too many of those ?


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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:46 pm 
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1AW - 78.32%

Carrots - 73.24%

Swan - 72.20%

I understand where people are coming from with Swan/Walker getting the ball in different situations, different positions on the field, teams playing different styles, etc.

My point is Walkers’ disposal isn’t as bad as you think (I was really surprised myself when I looked it up), and maybe he can be used more effectively if he’s recast in a different role (a la Swan) that takes advantage of his strengths (strength, speed, endurance).

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:08 pm 
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6 - 8 weeks back walker was one of the team's best performers in winning the ball and also delivery. He was running well, breaking lines and doing most things well. (may have boosted his effective disposal percentage - it needed it IMO)
Reinforces the idea that given a level of ability, football is mostly played between the ears. Tex has consistency problems.
Can he fix them?
Can anyone else fix them

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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I wouldn't be trading Walker. Big mistake, he just needs to be released to the half back-line or wing and let him run!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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His kicking early in the season was awful, so it's good that he has found a way to be more efficient. Problem is definitely his intensity and maybe a trip to the psychologist can cure a few of his concerns.

One thing that may not be in the head and more technical, if Andrew Gaze or Lucas Neill got to have a word with him, they would tell him to be on his toes more when trying to tackle, because at the moment he is getting "schooled" (left for dead) far too often and given his speed and endurance he should be doing a much better job. Practicing against Murphy or Judd, who are among the best in the AFL with the combination of footwork and the selling of body movements to break clear, this would be ideal if he wants to test himself - training scenario could be to have Judd or Murphy starting 3-5 meters away with the objective to get a clean disposal out by taking on Tex, whose objective is to get as many tackles and force as many ineffective disposals in a set amount of attempts. Immediate repeat attempts could build intensity.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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yep I'd get Andrew Gaze in for tackling advice. Failing that, try Lucas Neill.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:42 pm 
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Bozman wrote:
I dont see Tex as a crash and bash at the moment unfortunately - if by bash and crash you mean he will dive on the ball, put his head over the ball and stick tackles. Over the last 7 or so weeks he has hardly laid a good tackle and is very apprehenive when going to the ground first in pack situations. There is no doubt he was one of the primary players ratten was talking about not putting their head over the ball or sticking tackles. For someone as quick and agile as walker, he doesnt have an excuse for missing so many tackles.

Personally, I would love to see tex in the midfield, but he needs to satisfy us that he will put his head over the ball and tackle hard. Obv he is apprehensive doing so because of his shoulder issues, but i think it is now or never for tex on this issue - he has to risk further injury to get back in the team.

I didnt see the Bullants game on the weekend - but I would like to know how his tackling was and whether he threw himself at the ball on the ground - these would be the two criteria i would largely be looking at.

Unfortunately, as we have found out over the last 7 or so weeks, in todays football, you cannot afford to have a weak link in the hard ball and tackling stakes.

Unless a change is required, I would give tex at least one more game in the bullies to see if he is satisfying the abovementioned criteria.


Fair point. As I said in my original post, some work will probably still need to be done at the lower level to get him playing the right way for our midfield.

FWIW - I was at the Bullants game on Sunday, and there was nothing wrong with his intensity. Busted his gut running and was physical at the stoppages. I must admit I don't recall tackling being a huge part of his game, but that was probably because he was usually the one with the ball! I do agree with you that his tackling hasn't been great this year. And I agree that he will have to be prepared to put himself in harms way if he wants to play in the midfield. Having said that, I've never thought courage was a problem with Tex.

Anyway, I'm not basing my view on one VFL game against poor opposition, but it was good to see Tex showing an appetite for the contest again...

Whether it was because he had been 'shaken up' by being dropped, or whether he was relishing playing in the position he thinks he should be playing in (ie. midfield) - or both? - I'm not sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:55 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I wouldn't be trading Walker. Big mistake, he just needs to be released to the half back-line or wing and let him run!!!


Agree totally, some players require basic instructions and should be used to utilise their best assets. Whilst we may disagree/agree his worth to the team no one can doubt his endurance, athletisism and pace.

Give him a good run of weeks on the wing and let him settle.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:10 pm 
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Trading Walker. :screwy: :screwy:

His problem is that he is not allowed to settle into one position and be let loose.
Drafted as an onballer, played as a Mr Fixit.
Maybe the problem with Walks is that he can't fix it... So play him to play to his strengths.

Some players need to given some freedom to best perform, maybe the MC could afford him some.

My opinion anyway. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:37 pm 
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General consensus is that Walker should be played forward of centre or mid-field. The MC has played him behind of centre down to the full back line where he has never really established himself. Played a few good games but not consistently. Is that why he is down in confidence.

Seeing as how our acknowledged weaknesses are our inconsistent forward line and lack of depth in the mid-field why is it only now that the MC are playing him in probably his right position? And in the VFL.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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In a recent interview he said he was in the team for his speed. If that's the case, why don't they just let him use it???

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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I hope in the future our centre square brigade are up to it, if TC'ers have their way we'll have 14 players on the half forward line :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I wouldn't be trading Walker. Big mistake, he just needs to be released to the half back-line or wing and let him run!!!


Andrew Eccles still available ?


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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
yep I'd get Andrew Gaze in for tackling advice. Failing that, try Lucas Neill.


Exactly :smile:
...but it's still just an example.

You know what I'm talking about, fundamentals...footwork, positioning, reactive, recovery and so on.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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aboynamedsue wrote:
If I told you there was a bloke playing in the VFL on the weekend who had 45 possessions as an inside midfielder, and if I told you that this bloke was taken at #2 in the National Draft, has played 100 AFL games, is in his mid-20s, 189cm, 87kgs, is quick, a long kick, can break the lines, and is one of the fittest blokes in the AFL...would you be interested?


Interesting that. One of the few times I've seen Walker play in the guts was the famous come-from-behind win against Essendon* a few years ago, when Fevola kicked a bag. Walker moved into the middle after half time and got a truck load of clearances. He looked a natural in their. I remember writing about it on here after the game.

Funny that we seem to be crying out for players to support Judd in the midfield in terms of hard ball gets (to release Judd to a more outside role) and we have one, and maybe 2, who can play the role, but aren't being given the opportunity. Gibss to my mind is a natural clearance player, he just gets the footy in close. Perhaps Walker is too?

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 Post subject: Re: Free Tex Walker!
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I really liked a couple of his games earlier this year when he was given a task at CHB and he applied himself very well. that said, I defy anyone to know truly what his best position is, because he's never had a consistent run in one spot to show himself.

I think what he needs is a given period of time to settle into one position with some simple instructions and then left to focus accordingly.

What would be wrong to settle Walker across HB and Waite in the forward line? I worry that we're compromising two careers for the sake of short term expediency.


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