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 Post subject: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:22 pm 
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I know I may be getting ahead of myself here but the ruck combo at the blues is looking very promising.

Warnock, 2 very good games in a row, and last night proved to be devastating with his height advantage, havn't seen tapout like that for the baggers in a long time. He SHOULD be persisted with as no.1 ruckman even with Kruze back in.

Hampsons leap allowed him to get a few great taps in too, whilst his marking is coming along nicely with confidence growing. He is one of the quickest blokes for his height I have ever seen and was very damaging last night.

The question I wish to pose for next year is I believe we should play all 3 in the team.

MK up forward, with stints in the ruck, playing a Kosi type role mainly played as a forward though!!!!!! With Hampson also playing as a forward either rotating with MK or rotating with warnock around the ground, with one ruckman rotating on and off the bench. Hammer and MK are unbelievably agile and quick for ruckman and could pose serious damage around the ground, especially with Kruze's disposal being quite good.

Thisd would be a nightmare for other teams and I believe with their athleticism they could pull it off.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:49 pm 
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sstormin123 wrote:
I know I may be getting ahead of myself here but the ruck combo at the blues is looking very promising.

Warnock, 2 very good games in a row, and last night proved to be devastating with his height advantage, havn't seen tapout like that for the baggers in a long time. He SHOULD be persisted with as no.1 ruckman even with Kruze back in.

Hampsons leap allowed him to get a few great taps in too, whilst his marking is coming along nicely with confidence growing. He is one of the quickest blokes for his height I have ever seen and was very damaging last night.

The question I wish to pose for next year is I believe we should play all 3 in the team.

MK up forward, with stints in the ruck, playing a Kosi type role mainly played as a forward though!!!!!! With Hampson also playing as a forward either rotating with MK or rotating with warnock around the ground, with one ruckman rotating on and off the bench. Hammer and MK are unbelievably agile and quick for ruckman and could pose serious damage around the ground, especially with Kruze's disposal being quite good.

Thisd would be a nightmare for other teams and I believe with their athleticism they could pull it off.


The three would be walk up starts imho.Forget about this balance crap.Get on the front foot and create an imbalance for the opposition.Two great bigmen is good,but three good bigmen is better.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
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Mickstar wrote:
Two great bigmen is good,but three good bigmen is better.

That's what she said...? :?

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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:54 pm 
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Jacobs must be wondering where his future now lays.
It's not like he's done a heck of a lot wrong.
How quickly things change at this level.
(Wonder if he likes sunshine?)


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
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BigKev wrote:
Jacobs must be wondering where his future now lays.
It's not like he's done a heck of a lot wrong.
How quickly things change at this level.
(Wonder if he likes sunshine?)


Wouldn't have thought so. Ranga's burn bad.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
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Compared with the rucks in the Geelong–Collingwood match we are blessed.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:30 pm 
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In terms of ruckman my order is clearly Kreuzer, Warnock, Jacobs. Hammer can be traded.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
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Why trade one? What's wrong with a bit of cover, and keeping them all honest?

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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:01 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
In terms of ruckman my order is clearly Kreuzer, Warnock, Jacobs. Hammer can be traded.


Still no love for Hampson Rafa?

I like Jacobs but havent seen him do anything like what Hampson has bee doing lately. Jacobs is a good tap ruck ,tidy as a link through the middle and not bad second efforts but cant get to half as many marking contests and Hampson and cant hit the scoreboard like Hampson.

Id traded Sauce. Will be sad to see him go.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:06 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Rafalution wrote:
In terms of ruckman my order is clearly Kreuzer, Warnock, Jacobs. Hammer can be traded.


Still no love for Hampson Rafa?

I like Jacobs but havent seen him do anything like what Hampson has bee doing lately. Jacobs is a good tap ruck ,tidy as a link through the middle and not bad second efforts but cant get to half as many marking contests and Hampson and cant hit the scoreboard like Hampson.

Id traded Sauce. Will be sad to see him go.


I haven't seen Hampson take marks in the defensive goal square or on the flank as the kickout target for JR. Jacobs has footy smarts, marking and great tap work already and he has plenty of upside to his game also.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:01 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
club29 wrote:
Rafalution wrote:
In terms of ruckman my order is clearly Kreuzer, Warnock, Jacobs. Hammer can be traded.


Still no love for Hampson Rafa?

I like Jacobs but havent seen him do anything like what Hampson has bee doing lately. Jacobs is a good tap ruck ,tidy as a link through the middle and not bad second efforts but cant get to half as many marking contests and Hampson and cant hit the scoreboard like Hampson.

Id traded Sauce. Will be sad to see him go.


I haven't seen Hampson take marks in the defensive goal square or on the flank as the kickout target for JR. Jacobs has footy smarts, marking and great tap work already and he has plenty of upside to his game also.

I haven't seen Jacobs drop back in a final and spoil Bradshaw to help out his teammates.

I haven't seen Sauce chase two defenders down and turn it over to create a scoring chance for Garlett.

I haven't seen Sauce win the tap, charge forward and mark to kick a goal from CHF.

I haven't see Sauce chase Dale Thomas for 50 metres plus and pressure his kick.

I haven't seen Sauce run down midfielders.

Hampson is the better prospect.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:16 pm 
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All bodes well for trade value this year.

Otherwise if we keep all 4, if a suitable trade is not found, then that's OK, too!!

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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:31 am 
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Jacobs would be the one to let go, but only for a suitable trade. If we could get GC to give up a pick in the top 20 and a latter pick, I say do it, otherwise no go.

Warnock - We know what he can do now
Hammer - Still learning but his upside is so strong it would be ridiculous to let him go. Any guy that mobile for his height needs to be persisted with and simply keep playing
Kreuze - Will be one of the, if not the best big man of his generation

I also think we should play all 3. People said we couldn't play all the aboriginal forwards as well, you need to utilise your strengths and 3 very mobile bigmen would be a massive advantage.

Mind you Jacobs would be a regular starter at the following clubs:

Geelong
St Kilda
Hawthorn
Melbourne
Richmond
Port Adelaide
Adelaide

Could possibly add Collingwood to the list, as he would certainly be ahead of Wood and Fraser.

Lets just hope if/when we trade one, it isn't a debacle like the last time we traded out a ruckman (Mark Porter, kept the wrong bloke in Matthew Allan and got Corey McKernan!)


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:14 am 
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Who still remembers the days of French, Mclaren, Deluca and Ackland?? :eek:


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:18 am 
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Nick wrote:
Who still remembers the days of French, Mclaren, Deluca and Ackland?? :eek:


Thank you for rendering the years of hypnotherapy I'd undergone to repress that era useless.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
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Nick wrote:
Who still remembers the days of French, Mclaren, Deluca and Ackland?? :eek:


Was never a fan of Ackland or McLaren but I thought DeLuca and French tried hard for the club.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
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"If" the interchange rotations cap's come in, as I hope they do, then this area is one that will need abit more list management by all.

Too me right now, CFC are placed magnificently here and with a great advantage in that 3 of our 4 ruckman can play ruck / forward!

I would be trying to keep all four on our list however because the 4th ruckman is need for depth but if he gets courted by another club ... well it's upto the other club to pay top dollar not us. That is the way we should be looking at this, nothing less than our advantage.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
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We should persist with Kreuzer Hampson and Warnock in my opinion and see what's on offer for a Jacobs trade.

There surely has to some young talented raw ruckmen out there in the lower leagues who we could pick up and develop as a mature aged rookie.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:01 am 
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Preference 1: Keep all 4. Play Warnock, Hampson, Kreuzer; Jacobs in reserve.
Preference 2: Trade Jacobs for Top 20 draft pick.

Worried about Hampson going to GC.
(Also worried about Grigg, btw... well, either or. Happy to risk Fisher going... but think we need to ensure Hampson AND Grigg stay with us. IF one of them has to go, I'd prefer to allow Grigg to go - Hampson too valuable.)


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 Post subject: Re: The Ruck combo 2011
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Rexy wrote:
We should persist with Kreuzer Hampson and Warnock in my opinion and see what's on offer for a Jacobs trade.

There surely has to some young talented raw ruckmen out there in the lower leagues who we could pick up and develop as a mature aged rookie.


+1

Of the three, Sauce has the least upside but he's still a great pick up for another team ... a real solid senior level ruck option.

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