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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:56 pm 
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I'm not being negative when I say that watching us since the Hawthorn hammering, is like watching us play in slow motion.

When we DO start a promising run downfield; we start the runwith handballing....and again...and again....and again.....and with nobody downfield to kick to; and nobody leading.....until......(I cant look)......hello!.....we've turned it over again.

It's so bloody predictable that opposing coaches must lick their lips.......it's so elementary.....but we don't have a clue.

We watch the opposing sides making space and covering for their team mates; and spreading out, and leaving us lamenting.

Now I do sound negative....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:57 pm 
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f**k i hate Essendon*.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:01 pm 
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f**k i hate Essendon*.

I'm with you.......

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:18 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
The problem we have is that we are diabolical and there is precious little in the reserves. Jacobs is the best Ants player and we can't play three giant rucks. Our coach has finally put down the stats sheet and said some hard things. All that was missing was a realisation that the buck stops with him, and either his messages and game plan are way off or he doesn't have the authority to get the players to do what he wants. How many times does he have to say "bring your mouthguards to training." We are a rabble. We don't run hard enough often enough, we are totally static. Has Ratts ever watched Geelong? How about we run with the ball, attack, try and win and go down swinging, at least then all the players might be on the same page.

Having said players have lacked courage now, if he is selective in who he drops, he brands the droppees as the soft when half the team are soft.

After about 8 weeks of crap, we need to make changes, but it is a bit like swapping deck chairs on the Titanic.

Honestly I don't know what to do. I'd like Setanta back, but the setanta of 8 weeks ago. Hadley has been tried before. Davies looks a distance away.

I am just devoid of ideas. Maybe I should be on the MC.

Really this is a test for Stats Ratts. he has made every excuse known, now we play a side below us, with a crap coach, less experience and who recently got flogged by the bottom side. Ratts has had 6 straight losses to understand their gameplan, but his own players don't understand our gameplan so I guess it's asking too much to understand the Bombers game plan. If we win, it is not some great achievement, it is really about time. You should expect to beat bottom of the ladder sides when you are in the 8.

If we lose this it will indicate that Ratts has lost the players (and most of the supporters).

At the moment we have a committee who have endorsed poor decisions in the way we went about getting a coach and then compounded it by extending his contract too far, too early. Our drafting is looking average. Fairly easy when you have a top 10 pick, why can't we get anything later in the draft? How many quality players have the pies got beyond the first round of the draft? How many have we got?

Our rookie successes - Joseph, Carrazzo, Jamo, are looking more like rookies every week. How can players go backwards as they appear to have?

I am sick of it. Almost 10 years of mediocrity and more to come. We are the new Richmond, and Richmond look like something we are not - a weak list that gets a long way on discipline and determination.

Will any committee members be up for re-election? Can we at least vote somebody out at the end of the year?


Great post, Gerry.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:28 pm 
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Definitely need to win this one.

OUT
Johnson
Joseph
Fisher

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Robinson
Houlihan


If Ratten wants Joseph to play then he needs to find a better role for him. As for Johnson and Fisher. Wishful thinking.

Armfield is hard at it. Robinson puts his head over the ball. Houlihan is reliable and consistent and a great option up forward.

Would love to see Casboult and Tuohy get a run but it won't happen.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:42 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
Also don't forget, Mark Thompson went through this and worse with Geelong. Hopefully we are experiencing growing pains on the way to ultimate success
They never had access to early picks we have had.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:44 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
Also don't forget, Mark Thompson went through this and worse with Geelong. Hopefully we are experiencing growing pains on the way to ultimate success
They never had access to early picks we have had.


Doesn't matter what number picks they had. The quality of the players they did draft were as good.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:49 pm 
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BlueLulu wrote:
johnny wrote:
f**k i hate Essendon*.

I'm with you.......


AS AM I :mad:

last time Stats Ratts gave us a spray post match was after the Bummers debacle in rnd 3 and we won the next 2

*hopeful*


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:57 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
Also don't forget, Mark Thompson went through this and worse with Geelong. Hopefully we are experiencing growing pains on the way to ultimate success
They never had access to early picks we have had.


They were very fortunate to get Ablett and Scarlett as father/son selections.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:05 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
Also don't forget, Mark Thompson went through this and worse with Geelong. Hopefully we are experiencing growing pains on the way to ultimate success
They never had access to early picks we have had.


They were very fortunate to get Ablett and Scarlett as father/son selections.


And Hawkins too; he's the reigning premiership full forward...and you can never take that away from him.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:09 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
Also don't forget, Mark Thompson went through this and worse with Geelong. Hopefully we are experiencing growing pains on the way to ultimate success
They never had access to early picks we have had.


Doesn't matter what number picks they had. The quality of the players they did draft were as good.
Well that just highlights better recruiting, better player development and better coaching. They were still making finals while we have been consistently crap.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:24 pm 
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They missed in 2006 Whistler and the supporters were out to get Thompson. People getting on their case about recruiting. Players like Lings place on the list question.

They kept at it and reaped the rewards.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:35 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
They never had access to early picks we have had.


They were very fortunate to get Ablett and Scarlett as father/son selections.


And Hawkins too; he's the reigning premiership full forward...and you can never take that away from him.

And Blake.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:56 pm 
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Its pretty simple.

Just bloody win.

Go in hard, stop playing the way the opposition wants you to play.
Stop playing all your players in the forwards opposition forward line.

Leave 3 - 4 players in your forward line. It opens the game up. Playing all your players in one half of the game played in the pies hands.

Drop the following please:
Hampson - Waste of space.
Fisher - Play him in the goal square or no where else/replace with setanta.
Russell - Stupid decisions cost us atleast 2 goals on weekend. Not good enough. Play him on a wing/away from backline. Does not have a footy brain and never will. Needs to be dropped.
Yarran - Was to soft, classy player, but didn't put his body on the line when he had to.

Bring in Setanta, mitch, Jacobs, Thornton.

Need some experience in the backline. Got none last week. Believe it or not, our backline always seems more stable when thornton plays, even if he makes a couple errors. Never seen the backline as bad as it has been in the last few weeks.

Joseph needs to be put on a midfield tag, not backline tag.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:06 pm 
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Reading some of the selection suggestions is really quite depressing TBH.

We are pleading for players to come in who are either out of form (severely in some cases), missed because of injury or are in and out of the side because they aren't good enough. And they're all paying for a reserves side that suck worse than the seniors (if at all possible!!!)

@#$%&!, it is really dawning that things are extremely bad down at PP! :sad:

The scum will maul us on Friday. We are rabble

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:17 pm 
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We might make 1 or 2 changes, but I think wholesale changes are unlikely...

Let's face it, we don't have the cattle in reserve to drop too many of the guys that played on Saturday.

Armfield and possibly Houlihan might come in (if they are fit), but I sincerley doubt Carlos (on current form), Austin (on current form), T-Bird, Hadley or Robbo would make much difference. I think we should persist with Warnock & Hammer, which means Sauce stays in the VFL for now. Davies isn't ready IMO. I'd like to see Tuohy & Kerr get a go at some stage, but I doubt that the MC would take a risk on either of them in such a 'must win' game...

If Armfield isn't fit, I wouldn't be surprised if there was 'no change', to be honest....

A fringe player here or there isn't going to make a difference. As a group, the whole team needs to play with greater intensity and smarts. The coaching staff has its share of responsibility to make it happen, but the buck stops with the players IMO.

The 22 that played on Saturday are the best we had available. Guys that weren't good enough to get a game last week aren't suddenly better players this week. I'm not a big fan of dropping good players just "to send a message". I honestly don't think that works. We just need to get the players we have to play harder, smarter and better....

It will be a massive job to turn the side around. IMO, it goes back further than the Hawthorn game. We've been very average since 10th May (ie. Rd 7 vs St K). Even before that, we were poor at times (eg. 1st half vs Bris in Rd 2, vs Ess in Rd 3). Since Rd 7 this season, we've beaten PA, WCE, Melb & Bris - teams that were all struggling at the time we played them - and suffered some terrible losses to Haw, NM, WB, Syd & Coll (I didn't think the Freo loss was as bad).

I think we've been overrated for most of the season.

We are very much an inconsistent, middle-of-the-road side. Personally, I don't think we are good enough to win a final yet. Even worse, I don't think we're going to beat Essendon* this week.

We're about where I thought we'd be before the season started. I think a few of us got a bit excited and after wins against Geel & St K that maybe we'd come on quicker than expected, but I think we've all had a reality check since then...

That doesn't mean I like it, that's just the way it is IMO....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:24 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
We might make 1 or 2 changes, but I think wholesale changes are unlikely...

Let's face it, we don't have the cattle in reserve to drop too many of the guys that played on Saturday.

Armfield and possibly Houlihan might come in (if they are fit), but I sincerley doubt Carlos (on current form), Austin (on current form), T-Bird, Hadley or Robbo would make much difference. I think we should persist with Warnock & Hammer, which means Sauce stays in the VFL for now. Davies isn't ready IMO. I'd like to see Tuohy & Kerr get a go at some stage, but I doubt that the MC would take a risk on either of them in such a 'must win' game...

If Armfield isn't fit, I wouldn't be surprised if there was 'no change', to be honest....

A fringe player here or there isn't going to make a difference. As a group, the whole team needs to play with greater intensity and smarts. The coaching staff has its share of responsibility to make it happen, but the buck stops with the players IMO.

The 22 that played on Saturday are the best we had available. Guys that weren't good enough to get a game last week aren't suddenly better players this week. I'm not a big fan of dropping good players just "to send a message". I honestly don't think that works. We just need to get the players we have to play harder, smarter and better....

It will be a massive job to turn the side around. IMO, it goes back further than the Hawthorn game. We've been very average since 10th May (ie. Rd 7 vs St K). Even before that, we were poor at times (eg. 1st half vs Bris in Rd 2, vs Ess in Rd 3). Since Rd 7 this season, we've beaten PA, WCE, Melb & Bris - teams that were all struggling at the time we played them - and suffered some terrible losses to Haw, NM, WB, Syd & Coll (I didn't think the Freo loss was as bad).

I think we've been overrated for most of the season.

We are very much an inconsistent, middle-of-the-road side. Personally, I don't think we are good enough to win a final yet. Even worse, I don't think we're going to beat Essendon* this week.

We're about where I thought we'd be before the season started. I think a few of us got a bit excited and after wins against Geel & St K that maybe we'd come on quicker than expected, but I think we've all had a reality check since then...

That doesn't mean I like it, that's just the way it is IMO....

Very sensible post.

Unfortunately I am beginning to dread Friday night.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:36 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
Its pretty simple.

Just bloody win.

Go in hard, stop playing the way the opposition wants you to play.
Stop playing all your players in the forwards opposition forward line.

Leave 3 - 4 players in your forward line. It opens the game up. Playing all your players in one half of the game played in the pies hands.

Drop the following please:
Hampson - Waste of space.
Fisher - Play him in the goal square or no where else/replace with setanta.
Russell - Stupid decisions cost us atleast 2 goals on weekend. Not good enough. Play him on a wing/away from backline. Does not have a footy brain and never will. Needs to be dropped.
Yarran - Was to soft, classy player, but didn't put his body on the line when he had to.

Bring in Setanta, mitch, Jacobs, Thornton.

Need some experience in the backline. Got none last week. Believe it or not, our backline always seems more stable when thornton plays, even if he makes a couple errors. Never seen the backline as bad as it has been in the last few weeks.

Joseph needs to be put on a midfield tag, not backline tag.


I think Joseph needs to become a midfielder. No tag.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:57 pm 
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Blah ,blah, blah.
Only one thing left to do.

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unleash the Wiggs.

let the true terror of the Carlton Spirit reign on Friday night at the G.
:thumbsup: (even if we have to wheel him out.)

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