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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:00 am 
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Just make the statement now, Gibbs and Murphy are not performing up to their potential. Drop both, play best 2 from bullants in their place.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:43 am 
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I think Gibbs should definitely be dropped. He is either injured or just can't be bothered (or a combination of the 2). Murph I wouldn't mind following him to the Bullants.

We need to make a statement to show that what we have been serving up is totally unacceptable. Saturday was down with the worse from 2002-07, and this is even worse as this side has talent.

This is the softest Carlton side in my memory (and I can remember back to the late 80s). It may be similarly on par with the softness of Carlton circa 1990-91, but that side had more top liners. This side is just an embarassment on any measurable level at the moment.

At this point in time winning/making the 8 shouldn't even be worried about. I want to see some proper commitment, and willingness to do all the one percenters and not a bunch of $^%#%$& soft cocks running forward of the play, then jogging back when the inevitable turnover occurs.

I want Wiggo in, as he will have a crack.

Regardless, I can't see us coming within 6 goals, unless the Dons are diabolically bad.

Changes I would like to see.

In: Hadley, Houlihan, Wiggins, Armfield, Setanta
Out: Gibbs, Joseph, Johnson, Carazzo, Fisher

Some may laugh that I want hardness and commitment, but want Houlihan in, but he plays a fine role as a defensive forward, and would make someone like Stanton more accountable.

Johnson and Fisher are miles away from AFL footballers, Gibbs needs to understand he can't simply cruise through an AFL career, Joseph has been getting worse and worse for a fair while now and Carazzo needs to be fazed out.

As for the in's, at least you know Hadley has a crack, ditto Wiggo and Army. Setanta, for all his faults offers a hell of a lot more than Fisher, and if he is doing nothing up forward, chuck him in defence for a bit.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:13 am 
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flower all of you and your @#$%&! statements

we made a statement by trading fev

we made a statement by dropping waite and thornton

we made a statement last year by dropping betts, garlett and cloke

we made a statement early this year by suspending betts, houla and walker.

all these @#$%&! statements and weve still gone backward.

get the @#$%&! over your statements and put some onus on the club to be good enough to find a way to get the good players to perform where they should be performing - in the ones!!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:42 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
flower all of you and your !@#$%& statements

we made a statement by trading fev

we made a statement by dropping waite and thornton

we made a statement last year by dropping betts, garlett and cloke

we made a statement early this year by suspending betts, houla and walker.

all these !@#$%& statements and weve still gone backward.

get the !@#$%& over your statements and put some onus on the club to be good enough to find a way to get the good players to perform where they should be performing - in the ones!!


Probably the best post I've ever read on here.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:04 am 
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whenever the heats on us, we roll over and have our bellies tickled. this week will be no different. (apologies in advance to Judd and Simmo)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:05 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
flower all of you and your !@#$%& statements

we made a statement by trading fev

we made a statement by dropping waite and thornton

we made a statement last year by dropping betts, garlett and cloke

we made a statement early this year by suspending betts, houla and walker.

all these !@#$%& statements and weve still gone backward.

get the !@#$%& over your statements and put some onus on the club to be good enough to find a way to get the good players to perform where they should be performing - in the ones!!



Good statement.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:30 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
flower all of you and your !@#$%& statements

we made a statement by trading fev

we made a statement by dropping waite and thornton

we made a statement last year by dropping betts, garlett and cloke

we made a statement early this year by suspending betts, houla and walker.

all these !@#$%& statements and weve still gone backward.

get the !@#$%& over your statements and put some onus on the club to be good enough to find a way to get the good players to perform where they should be performing - in the ones!!


Great in theory, but we haven't dropped one of our bona fide so called stars as yet. Drastic times call for drastic measures.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:34 am 
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koutahootarootafides wrote:
Just make the statement now, Gibbs and Murphy are not performing up to their potential. Drop both, play best 2 from bullants in their place.


Is it too late to draft Iacobucci??


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:39 am 
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Stone Free wrote:
koutahootarootafides wrote:
Just make the statement now, Gibbs and Murphy are not performing up to their potential. Drop both, play best 2 from bullants in their place.


Is it too late to draft Iacobucci??

This.

Is of a good age and performs well each week. With what the Cats have proven with Podsiadly, I would say it's worth a shot. Can't be any worse than some of the club's previous decisions.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:27 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
flower all of you and your !@#$%& statements

we made a statement by trading fev

we made a statement by dropping waite and thornton

we made a statement last year by dropping betts, garlett and cloke

we made a statement early this year by suspending betts, houla and walker.

all these !@#$%& statements and weve still gone backward.

get the !@#$%& over your statements and put some onus on the club to be good enough to find a way to get the good players to perform where they should be performing - in the ones!!


Yep what he said :thumbsup:

Our players aren't all crap. I can remember after a couple of wins earlier in the year TC'ers had alot more positive stuff to say. We just need our players to fire up. I don't know how to make that happen. It needs to come from them. Hopefully standing on the MCG in front of all the laughing filth supporters might make them think about where their careers are going....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:37 am 
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Sorry boys but after Saturdays pathetic display, I've lost all faith in Ratts and the side. I dont think we'll win another game this year...
I can see this happening...

Blues low on confidence..
Bummers brimming with confidence after 2 straight wins...
Bummers burst out of the blocks and kill us with their speed, skill and hardness at the ball...
Blues buckle under pressure likethe softc**ks that we are and turn the ball over time and time again
Game over by half time and Blues play catch up football for the rest of the game
Bummers run out big winners and rub our noses in it.... again!
Media has a field day at the total ineptitude of our side
Livid Blues fans flood talkback with calls for Ratten's head
Ratts makes the same excvuses
Sticks continues to support his mate...

Rewind the tape and play it again weekly, replacing the Bummers with that week's opponent. Repeat this for the rest of the year....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:45 am 
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Come on Dominator put the rope down...

We'll be back. Some day :grin:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:11 pm 
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Given the rubbish that has been delivered over the past 6 weeks and all these "make or break" games where we have basically rolled over, very hard to see any change to that this week. Still, I live in hope but each week it gets more difficult. My question is - after all the pressure and discussion with full time professional footballers/coaches, why is the same crap getting put up every week? Maybe they are not just good enough and those wins against St Kilda nd Geelong were abherations masking deficiencies under pressure. Seems as though it is endemic when you read the Bullants thread as well. We are missing players - Kruez, Lucas, White but the core of "quality" is still there.
In some respects the end of the season cannot come soon enough to start the process to mend the broken pieces of our club. To think they are not broken is delusional as the on field performances speak for themselves.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:11 pm 
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Drop Ellard, Bring in Hadley, we need experience and confidence back in our side.
Bring back Thornton!!! I dont understand why he’s even out..?
Leave Waite permanently up in our Forward Line.
Can Ratten not see we need a big guy up there all the time..
Use Waite like we did Fev, make him the option coming into the 50! NOT EDDIE BETTS 2 on 1!!!
Love Hampsons work rate at the moment, could be great in our forward line in years to come!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:13 pm 
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I heard the Essendon* Cheer Squad will be throwing marchmellows out on the gorund and handing them out to Carlton supporters.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:20 pm 
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I heard the Essendon* Cheer Squad will be throwing marchmellows out on the gorund and handing them out to Carlton supporters.

I hear a few Essendon* supporters will be leaving with a few missing teeth.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:27 pm 
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Going to throw down, Dan?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:30 pm 
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DIAMOTISM wrote:
I heard the Essendon* Cheer Squad will be throwing marchmellows out on the gorund and handing them out to Carlton supporters.


If I was there I'd use them as knuckle dusters and smash those black n red cauliflower.

The Blues will win this one. And win it easy. Surely they realise that they can't go on and let the other teams results ensure our survival in the 8.

Smash those pricks, then smash Richmond, and finals here we come. Then it's a new season come finals time....anything can happen.

Blues by 68 points. :thumbsup:

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Going to throw down, Dan?

Would love to. They touring are they? :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:47 pm 
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One way or another, our season ends on Friday night from my point of view. It's either our last respectable contribution to the AFL season by ensuring these flower don't make the finals, and essentially booking our spot in making up the numbers.

I reckon we'll win this one, albeit in ugly fashion. Where I think we'll succeed where St Kilda didn't, is that we have the players to tag Essendon*'s midfielders en masse. St Kilda didn't pay Essendon* that respect, instead preferring to play the likes of Hayes and Dal Santo head to head with Watson and Stanton, and paid the price for it. In fairness to the Saints, the loss of Jones and Baker would not have made that an easy task.

For mine, it's shut down Jobe Watson, beat Essendon*. Jobe's performances are somewhat lower against Carlton than compared to his career averages, last time around, we were prepared to have Kade Simpson run head to head against him, and whilst Simmo was probably our best on the night, and kicked two going the other way, I reckon Watson got the three Brownlow votes on the night. In recent years, we've tried Gibbs on him without much luck, and Grigg did a serviceable job last year before Watson went off injured, and I'd like to see Grigga get the lockdown job here too.

Stanton is another one I'd like to apply a hard tag to. He runs hard and has a massive tank, he sets up a lot of their scoring chains, and is a smart player. On the other hand, he's shown he struggles to break a tag, and is quite inconsistent. I don't think Carrazzo has the motor to go with him, and got absolutely pantsed by him last year. I'd give the job to Walker. There's no obvious matchup for him in the Essendon* forward line as such, he's got the mongrel in him to frustrate Stanton at the stoppages and also run with him.

A real probing question at the moment will also be how do we stop Michael Hurley's run out of the back half? Hurley managed to rack up 30 touches and 13 marks, running off Koschitzke on Friday night, and I get the feeling that this could quite easily be another Brian Lake scenario. It's also the first time he's ever played against the Blues ("gee, you don't see that very often, do you?"). Waite has to play forward here, and play deep. No excuses. As I've said a few times this year, rewatch the tape of the Saints match and see how well he managed to keep Gilbert accountable. This has to happen again, and we didn't have that luxury against Lake.

Heath Hocking is another bloke who consistently lifts against us. Will take either Murph or Judd, and has done alright this year on the opposition's best midfielder. Am hoping it's Murph, as I think the West Coast game showed, with LeCras tearing him a new one, he can struggle one out with a smaller quicker opponent in the forward 50, as he can be found to over-rely on his teammates to give him a chop out. If he goes to Murph, we need to be willing to send him forward, and try and create the necessary space to isolate them.

Houli was probably BOG for the Bombers on Friday night, but the flaws in his game are still fairly obvious, he doesn't man up, and his disposal by foot is questionable. Put Ryan Houlihan on him, as arguably our most damaging player in terms of, ahem, "scoreboard pressure", and test this out. HOULIhan on Houli you say? What an enticing prospect.......

The Ryder/Hille conundrum is one that will, if anything, highlight how big a hole Kreuzer leaves more than any other challenge this season. While I think Warnock will certainly hold his own around the ground, I simply can't see who mans them up when one goes forward, with Waite needed up forward. Bower presents the best option for Ryder at this point, and would keep his spot based on this alone, despite his absolute shocker of a game against the Pies. Thornton is well undersized, Austin doesn't quite look right to me playing deep in defense, and would probably give Jamo first crack at Gumbleton. Simon White would be very handy right about now. I reckon play the third ruck, and hope we can tire them.

Monfries is another that keeps me awake at night. The diving for free kicks, the junk time goals last year and so forth. Regardless, did a hell of a job on Sam Fisher as a defensive forward on Friday night, and I expect him to go to Russell (or perhaps vice-a-versa). Should be a decent battle between the two '04 draftees.

I expect Fisher to stay in, to reprise his role as a defensive forward on Fletcher from last year. Ratten still raves about that performance, which really wasn't THAT great, but seems to have kept him in a job, along with the convenience of having a one year deal that others did not at the time. Oh well, regardless, ton up for Fish.

Joseph did a decent enough job on Zaharakis last time around to probably replicate it this time around, did a respectable job on Davis yesterday, whilst Zaharakis copped a hiding from Goddard. Otherwise, perhaps a run with role with Davey?

Will be a decent challenge for Eddie to go up against McVeigh after he towelled up Milne last week. Betts does have one thing going for him in that McVeigh is a flower of a bloke, I suppose.

So my ins and outs? Not exactly set in concrete pending the VFL game today, butttttttt........

In: Thornton, Armfield, Robinson, Jacobs, Houlihan
Out: Carrazzo, Garlett, Henderson, Johnson, Ellard

B: Thornton (Neagle) Jamison (Gumbleton) Russell (Monfries)
HB: Joseph (Zaharakis) Bower (Ryder) Scotland (unaccountable)
C: Walker (Stanton) Judd (Prismall) Grigg (Watson)
HF: Houlihan (Houli) Waite (Hurley) Yarran (Reimers)
F: Betts (McVeigh) Hampson (Hooker) Fisher (Fletcher)
R: Warnock (Hille) Murphy (Hocking) Simpson (Lonergan)
INT: Armfield, Robinson, Jacobs, Gibbs (definitely 22nd man)


This post sums up the trouble with this club (no effence intended at all BTW)...........this is EXACTLY what Ratts & Co will spend all week doing rather than trying to win the game and let Essendon* worry about us. We are reactive rabble who have little chance of winning.

When did we last beat this mob ? And that was when we were playing well.

Lowest number of scoring shots in half a game since 1924 says it all - on a lovely day at the G. Bummers will be simply licking their lips.


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