More constructive posts, Grro.

Once again you've missed the point. Go back an re-read it. Make sure you pay close attention to every word and not just the ones that look like "Fevola".

It's not a "see I was right" post, saying we are better off without him or we aren't. It's saying he was thrown out of the club because of the affect he was having on the culture of our club. Well... On the back of several recent performances the culture seems worse than it ever was with him.

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Carlton 2012: Lets remind them why they once feared the Dark.

I was at the game, and the entire first half, we flooded to the same section of the ground. How the hell we expect to score from this type of football is beyond me and worst of all, we do this week-in week-out and we just don't learn.

At one point, Judd managed to get a great clearence out to Gibbs (?) which found a running Yarran,....... who bolted down the midfield only to look up and see.......... Nuthin. Not a single presence anywhere ahead of him..........

I just laughed.


Ratts can blame the players all he wants, but you don't win games of football with this kind of shit.

But Ratts ain't alone. I've said it for over a year now that Lappin is completly useless as a forward line coach.

Bower was sent forward and Henderson sent to the backline yesterday. Adding this to Thornton having stints up forward during the year and this just proves we have no idea.


I will continue to support the club financially............... but i refuse to support this kind of football until some massive changes are made.
I'd much rather spend my weekends doing something entertaining and watching that kind of crap is just painful and sickening.

I'll still re-new my membership, but from here on in, I wont be going to games. Something just has to change!


Lappin, Ratts and Sticks need to go. Plain and Simple.

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Lucas and Henderson have more upside than a 29 year old ex Carlton player with chronic groin problems. It was one of the club's better decisions.

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Take it easy Sean, we're all on the same side. I'm sure Grro cares about our current plight just as much as you and I and the others do. I'll answer your question.

I expected us to be a better TEAM without Fev (and I'm no Fev hater). I mentioned that pre game threads too.
I do believe at 7-4 earlier this year (and other than the Essendon* game) we were a much better team in the post Fev era...and so said everyone.

What has happened in the second half of 2010, or the last 6 weeks has nothing to do with Fev. Imo, and most others' opinions there's something going on and it's really wrong and very much so unrealted to Fev.

I noticed the enquiry and the body language of Hird, Healy and Sheehan on the show OTC which said to me the answers Ratts was giving to their questions regarding the softness, slow starts, structure... were so far removed from reality, that they were not worth further pursuit without ridiculing Ratts. They could have really served up more for Ratts but I'm sure his status as a tough successful player and his loyalty to his players saved him from a real serving that evening.

Ratts was spruiking for the CFC or living in denial that evening and has been till yesterday's press conference...imo.

Finally Ratts is asking questions of the players (not Fev's departure or lack of replacement), whilst we continue to ask questions about the game plan and the motivation Ratts is providing the team as well as of some of the personnel who took part in yesterday's game.

Fev has nothing to do with the current form debarcle we are experiencing.

Furthermore, the ball would not have given Fev enough supply to make a difference. We were creamed yesterday as we have in the previous 6 weeks (all bar the 3rd qtr last week).

We are asking different questions of the team's fabric in round 18 than we were in round 11.
None of us know the answers for the last 6 weeks.

London Blue called me at half time yesterday and said a couple of interesting things. Let me say this about him first: he's a pragmatic well rounded business man with good control over the emotional issues in business and football...and a damn good footballer too...who I admire and respect. He said there's something really wrong at the club. We don't just fall away like that if there isn't any deep issues. Not once was the issue Fev related, but there were inferences to the possibility of Ratts losing the players or worse. I agree with him, but I also know we're just guessing because none of us know all th facts.

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And yet look at his efforts during his time in Brisbane, as well as what's been revealed about his time while here. In isolation, you're right, but you've completely forgotten to observe Fevola during 2010.

Your point falls over at its utmost fundamental level.

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20 ways to see the world,
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I'll grant you that but you fail to acknowledge that that culture permeates through every facet of the club, you don't think we seriously see Gibbs and Murphy as part of the problem in their own right, do you? It comes from the top and works its way down.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Whatever it is that is happening with our club at the moment, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Fevola getting the arse at the end of last season. Sure, maybe a few players were pissed off to see him go, but that was because he was a maaate, a good fun bloke at times. And maybe a few of them wondered what they would do if they didn't have him to blindly kick to anymore.

Letting Fev go came a year or two too late, but also created it's own problems that we haven't fixed yet.

Warnock and Simmo played well regardless of the fact they had no mates helping out.

Simmo is playing more like a No. 1 draft pick than our No.1 Draft Picks.

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Club seem to think Judd's just bruised his pec - or have I missed a comment somewhere?

Surely that won't keep him out.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

He supposedly did it when he raised his arm pretty quickly......would that do it?....I'm not a physio.

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He damaged it just prior the that in a bumping contest.

OK......that makes more sense....lets hope it's not a bad injury although.......we could do worse than giving him a rest.

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Injuries;

CARLTON
Judd - Shoulder (from carrying the team)


COLLINGWOOD
The entire team - stomach pains (from laughing so hard at Carlton)

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Never believe what the club tells you when it comes to injuries. It's another attempt to trick our opponents next week, who couldn't possibly be able to work out that his injury is more serious than a bruise.

I was at the game and didn't see the incident. I haven't seen any news reports highlighting the incident or issue.

Just found some footage: definitely a pec-related issue. He goes straight for it, well below the collar bone. They'll know by now whether he's going to be out for a while based on a loss of power in lifting with that arm. If that's ok and it's just discomfort he's out for a week tops.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Remember how the Media gushed on and on about our top shelf midfield?......looks like he's going to be out with an injury....

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Most of those Collingwood boys are on the same money as ours ....... at least you get an honest days work out of them.

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After viewing the bullants result I will ask the question, who do we drop next week and which spud do we bring in from the twos? Or will we just wheel out the usual sack ratten bullshit.

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Thornton was in the best and he usually does pretty well at that level. Armfield & Houlihan are coming back from injury lay-offs and should be in the mix. Houlihan may have played a half for the Bullants today.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Yes Jimmae, i think we have missed Houlihan and Armfield always give 100%

But isn't everyone saying Houlihan and Thorton are gone and that playing them is going backwards?

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