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Effes
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:43 pm 
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Ross Lyon after last night's loss

“Let’s make this clear I am not separating myself from the loss at all, or my assistants. We’re in it up to our necks with the players because we’re responsible for them being able to deliver on game day."

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:39 pm 
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"Which is another good indicator of Carlton's erratic ways. The Blues are No. 1 for kicking efficiency, up from fifth last year.


The top 10 ranked players for kicking efficiency last year were:

1. Zac Dawson
2. Bret Thornton
3. Jason Blake
4. Ben Rutten
5. Matthew Scarlett
6. Brian Lake
7. Alipate Carlile
8. Shannon Hurn
9. Jared Rivers
10. Dale Morris

A kick is called effective if it goes at least 40m to a contest, so I'm not surprised ours is rated highly given how often we bomb the ball long to a contest. :lol:

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Effes wrote:
Ross Lyon after last night's loss

“Let’s make this clear I am not separating myself from the loss at all, or my assistants. We’re in it up to our necks with the players because we’re responsible for them being able to deliver on game day."


but I thought the coach has nothing to do with it....isn't always the players fault?

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marving
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:52 pm 
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We're not that good but it's worse this year because we've never looked like we know what we're doing. When we lose, we lose badly. We don't look like a team. It would be bearable if there were instances where we looked like we knew what we were doing, seemed to care enough to do it and lost, but were not thumped.

But, today, it's feeling like I've seen it before, in the Pagan years, but this time we have some better players (how many are any good I'm not sure any more) and it's more frustrating because of this. I think this stems from a lack of faith in the direction of the club; I don't feel like they know what they're doing ... if their idea of gaining leadership in the team is getting another player like Pavlich ... this just sums it up really ... Don't expect people to take responsibility when there is always someone else to take it for you.

When will this club get into the 21st century?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:53 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
my two cents wrote:
Ratten on observers having difficulty identifying a game plan - "It is there, insists Ratten, and it's based on quick ball movement and switches of angles. But it's a lot harder to pinpoint, he concedes, “when we don't kick the ball well”.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


You missed the sentence immediately after.....

"Which is another good indicator of Carlton's erratic ways. The Blues are No. 1 for kicking efficiency, up from fifth last year. But when they turn the ball over, they do so spectacularly, and is invariably punished for it."

It is funny that several don't like to hear Ratts talking about his Stats and many hang it on the players skills and development but this stat probably shocks a few knockers.

Regards Cazzesman


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:12 pm 
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generally don't like Rohan's articles - i find them obvious and boring. Now whilst this article was similar to his other dribble, there were some points made that were real insights for me

we are 12th for experience - and in the 8. We should be excited by that and it tells me we have some bloody good players that are holding us together, it also shows how bad our list was and the need to turn it over

unfortunately after today's game I am more convinced than ever that our list has massive holes in it and we will remain a young team because we still need to turn the list over. Our current 22 are not good enough. The fact we are crying out for Kane Lucas, a first year player, to add class to the team tells me exactly where we are at.

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The article is shite based on the kicking efficiency statistic alone.

Surely Rohan should know how misleading the statistic is given how an effective kick is defined and the type of player who ranks well in it. Then there's the fact our bomb it long style means all those kicks to packs are counted as effective.

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further to my previous post

bondiblue's comments that we are soft and that the youth is a poor excuse is absolutely spot on. it is not youth that is the problem it is our list. Our list is not balanced; we have too many holes.

I enjoyed watching Grigg and Ellards (last qtr) i thought they played hard/tough football. They put their head over the ball. We need more of that.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:43 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Kicking efficiency is one of the more useless stats IMO.
You can kick 10 times out of ten to a team mate wide on the boundary and allow the opposition to set up a zone, and you recieve an efficient disposal stat for it.
Bret Thornton has a disposal efficiency of 84% yet he's playing in the Magoos. Compare that with Robert Murphy who has a disposal of 76%. Yet Murphys disposal cuts you up in the corridor like a hot knife through butter. If you gave the ball to most Geelong players and they played the gamestyle we did, they'd eat us alive for disposal efficiency.

The real stats that matter IMO are after 8 games we were 5 and 3 and were equal with Collingwood on the second most quarters won for the year. If it wasn't for the ineptitude of the other contenders, we'd be falling out of the 8 now. I dont agree with the rantings of feral supporters but I also dont believe in sticking your head in the sand and cocooning yourself from criticism like Swann and Ratten seem to do.

At the start of the year, Ratten was saying we had to win a final. Now I hear him saying he wants to make the 8 because "no one else expected us to make it". Thats bulltish to me. You dont re-evaluate half way through the year to take the heat off yourself. We will make the 8 and anything less than a finals win is a failure. The supporters stuck with the club through the bad days and they're within their rights to expect the players to give their best. At the moment, the players are well off that benchmark.


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my two cents
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Cazz - I found it comical that Ratten had to insist on the exitence of a game plan. Goes to show the magnitude of the coaching disaster.

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