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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:15 pm 
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To be honest, we probably need Judd out for the rest of the year, much like we needed Fevola out of the side.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:15 pm 
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Outback Blue wrote:
I want to know, what the !@#$%& has happened down at the club since about round 11. We were travelling nicely at 7 /4 and playing some really
nice footy.

And then ???????

How a side can change their playing habits so much is beyond me.


Its time we got some !@#$%& answers !!!!!!!!!!


We will not win another game for the rest of the season, mark my word !!!!!!


Robert Walls wrote an article saying we could be 12-4 and top 4 material. The players read it....and the rest is history! :thanks:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:16 pm 
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Looking forward to the next few weeks without Judd.. will really separate the wheat from the chaff.
We are in a deep deep hole at the moment. We are crying out for leaders both on and off the field. Ratts for all his good intentions is not the man to take this football club forward. He understands the game but has had his ass handed to him in virtually every game of the past seven.
The players look listless- Jamison, Russell, Walker, Bower, Joseph, Carazzo, Murphy, Gibbs all stagnated or gone backwards. These are our next tier players who were meant to be taking the weight off Judd.

I think the re-signing of Betts was another terrible ploy by a Match Committee and football department prone to severe errors in judgement. Betts was one player we could have received value for later in the year- be it by way of picks or players. His year has been grossly inflated by goals kicked in dead time of matches, and this misinterpretaiton of his 'value' might have got us an overinflated deal by another club. He doesn't keep himself in the best physical condition between matches and in the off season, and the fact he sees himself as 'undroppable' is a key reason for his incredibly poor performances since about Round 8.

There are some serious questions to be asked of the whole football club in the coming weeks- and I hope against hope they are asked in the proper fashion, and not half- heartedly assessed like so many other important decisions this club has made in recent times.


Betts needs some functioning tall and mid sized forwards around him.
He is no.1 banana in the fwd line and its a tough gig for a midget.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:17 pm 
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The Pies have an average list but are very disciplined and are very well drilled by a gun coach. We on the other hand have a very good list but are coached by a Carlton supporter. Ratten is not a coach. He just watches the game as a supporter and is just waiting to cheer on the next goal. He has to go before our players lose even more confidence!! Surely the board can see this?? We have no Game plan!!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:18 pm 
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The game was lost before the first bounce. IMO Ratten's game plan was way too negative. Our players were focussing their efforts on stopping their opponent rather than gettin g first to the ball. Ellard is a good example. When thrown on the ball gave us first use of the ball when it was too late. It is as if Ratts no longer has confidence in his boys. believe i whe

Our midfield is playing poorly. We have no one to step up when Judd is put under extreme pressure. Our backline doesnt work hard enough for each other. Seeing a no 1 draft ick taking our kick ins, I lost confidence in Ratts match day coaching ability.

Our forwards made it too easy for the Collingwood defence to spoil and quickly get the ball out and set up play. When we did get the quick clearance from the centre, their backmen were playing in front of our forwards.

I would have preferred to have attcked at all cost and lose by a significantly bigger margin than put up with this effort. The scoreline flattered us. Lost by a similar amount last time we met but I walked away content because we took it up to them and played aggressively.

Unfortunately we lack serious depth to hold much hope to turn things around in the immediate future. We have regressed and are coumpounding the problem with negative tactics.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:21 pm 
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Snippets of Rattens presser on 3 AW..... HE WAS EXTREMELY PISSED OFF.
He used the word EMBARRASSED a number of times. Also said the the players didn't go when it was their turn (read soft). About time he got into them.
Let's see what happens at the selection table.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:24 pm 
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(OK i'll admit I left at half time and went to the pub and half heartedly watched it on the tv there)
I am however still dirty on the first 2 goals they got in the second quarter - the holding the ball decision was 50/50 at best and the umps should have just let that one slide, and THAT WAS NOT A GODDAMN !@#$%& MARK YOU STUPID BLIND MAGGOTS. Not making excuses but that gave them some momentum and we really needed a competitive second quarter to have any chance of staying in it.


Terrible, terrible umpiring that helped to give them momentum. Neither free kick or goal was warranted. You have to be 100% sure when giving "holding the ball" decisions in front of goal and the first one against Jamison was abysmal.

Get ready for even worse umpiring against Essendon*. How many free kicks will Monfries get in front of goals?
I pick 3 free kicks within the 50 metre arc for Monfries alone.

The key problem for me is the midfield. It looks stale and tired and drained. Mix it up.
I like how they put Eddie in the centre in the last quarter. Get him in there earlier.

Get Chris Johnson in there, more rotations, rotate and rotate...don't leave it just to Judd, Murphy and Gibbs.
In:???
Oout: Henderson (or get him to play defence), Fisher and perhaps Carazzo.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:26 pm 
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BLUESBLITZ wrote:
The Pies have an average list but are very disciplined and are very well drilled by a gun coach. We on the other hand have a very good list but are coached by a Carlton supporter. Ratten is not a coach. He just watches the game as a supporter and is just waiting to cheer on the next goal. He has to go before our players lose even more confidence!! Surely the board can see this?? We have no Game plan!!


The Pies have a very very good list.....so good in fact; that Josh Fraser and Paul Medhurst can't get a game; and it showed today......and why they're top of the table.

Our list has been shown lately to be very very ordinary.....Medhurst would walk into our side.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:29 pm 
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BLUESBLITZ wrote:
The Pies have an average list but are very disciplined and are very well drilled by a gun coach. We on the other hand have a very good list but are coached by a Carlton supporter. Ratten is not a coach. He just watches the game as a supporter and is just waiting to cheer on the next goal. He has to go before our players lose even more confidence!! Surely the board can see this?? We have no Game plan!!



The Pies have an average list but are a game and a half clear on top :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And we have a more talented list :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

Every Carlton kid is a gun and they are just overacheiving vanilla footballers :screwy: :screwy:

WH has barely picked us a winner outside the first round in the ND....Players like AJ only get games bcoz we cant find players with our 2nd 3rd and 4th round picks


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:30 pm 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
Looking forward to the next few weeks without Judd.. will really separate the wheat from the chaff.
We are in a deep deep hole at the moment. We are crying out for leaders both on and off the field. Ratts for all his good intentions is not the man to take this football club forward. He understands the game but has had his ass handed to him in virtually every game of the past seven.
The players look listless- Jamison, Russell, Walker, Bower, Joseph, Carazzo, Murphy, Gibbs all stagnated or gone backwards. These are our next tier players who were meant to be taking the weight off Judd.

I think the re-signing of Betts was another terrible ploy by a Match Committee and football department prone to severe errors in judgement. Betts was one player we could have received value for later in the year- be it by way of picks or players. His year has been grossly inflated by goals kicked in dead time of matches, and this misinterpretaiton of his 'value' might have got us an overinflated deal by another club. He doesn't keep himself in the best physical condition between matches and in the off season, and the fact he sees himself as 'undroppable' is a key reason for his incredibly poor performances since about Round 8.

There are some serious questions to be asked of the whole football club in the coming weeks- and I hope against hope they are asked in the proper fashion, and not half- heartedly assessed like so many other important decisions this club has made in recent times.


Betts needs some functioning tall and mid sized forwards around him.
He is no.1 banana in the fwd line and its a tough gig for a midget.


Yep agreed. Eddie is neither tall nor bulky and regularly concedes a significant height and weight difference to his opponent and to expect him to be our main forward target is ridiculous. For someone his size he isn't bad at contested marks but just can't expect him to grab them all the time.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:36 pm 
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verbs wrote:
6 goals to none in the second was the difference.

In the other three quarters, both teams kicked 9 goals.


Is that you Ratts?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:39 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Snippets of Rattens presser on 3 AW..... HE WAS EXTREMELY PISSED OFF.
He used the word EMBARRASSED a number of times. Also said the the players didn't go when it was their turn (read soft). About time he got into them.
Let's see what happens at the selection table.


Out: Johnson
IN: Robinson

:garthp:

Ratts is too pissweak to drop a big name.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:42 pm 
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Why has he waited this long :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:42 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Snippets of Rattens presser on 3 AW..... HE WAS EXTREMELY PISSED OFF.
He used the word EMBARRASSED a number of times. Also said the the players didn't go when it was their turn (read soft). About time he got into them.
Let's see what happens at the selection table.


Out: Johnson
IN: Robinson

:garthp:

Ratts is too pissweak to drop a big name.


We only have three big names: Judd, Gibbs and Murphy, and one of them is gone anyway.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:42 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Snippets of Rattens presser on 3 AW..... HE WAS EXTREMELY PISSED OFF.
He used the word EMBARRASSED a number of times. Also said the the players didn't go when it was their turn (read soft). About time he got into them.
Let's see what happens at the selection table.


Out: Johnson
IN: Robinson

:garthp:

Ratts is too pissweak to drop a big name.


he dropped Waite and Thornton and at the time those 2 were considered big names.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:46 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Snippets of Rattens presser on 3 AW..... HE WAS EXTREMELY PISSED OFF.
He used the word EMBARRASSED a number of times. Also said the the players didn't go when it was their turn (read soft). About time he got into them.
Let's see what happens at the selection table.


It's all too late.
The season is as good as over.
We have gone backwards big time this year. Essendon* will thump us next week and then it's all downhill.
Ratten is no good, his mates Kernahan, Teague, Lappin and the recruiting staff are a joke as well.
We need professional people at the club. Since Pratt's death nothing has happened.
Melbourne are going past us at 100MPH.
Yes,they aren't in the eight, but their recruiting is streets ahead of ours.
And they have almost paid off their debt.
Brett, for the sake of the club and it's supporters, do the right thing and RESIGN.
Stephen, hand the presidency over to someone who can attract the right business people to the club and to someone who can run a professional football club, and in a professional manner, and not just a mate's club.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:50 pm 
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Being at the game today, it's hard to describe how poor we were, as a club.

The players were pathetic in every sense of the word. Didn't go in, clearly didn't want the contest as much as Collingwood did and no one, not one single player looked like they were embarassed at what was happening.

As for the coaching. Well, shit. I could have walked into the box today, seen Maxwell/Goldsack sitting on their own across ahlf back and think... hmm. With the presure Collingwood are putting on us, maybe giving them a spare bloke across half back might be terminal with the way we're likely to be bringing it forward. But no, we blithely let them set up EXACTLY as they wanted to and twiddled our thumbs while the game was ripped away from us.

The ONLY move we made was to drop Waite as a spare back. Which given we conceded 20+ scoring shots in less than a half did absolutely nothing to stem the tide. Honestly, it was schoolboy stuff.

I think a lot of cracks which have been papered over were laid bare today. I hope as a club get at least something out of this debacle and make some fundamental changes to the way we go about the business of winning football games.

There is losing, and there is what we saw today. The entire club was a disgrace.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:55 pm 
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The only time I saw Murphy today was him squibbing big time towards the end of the second quarter when the ball finally went into our foward 50. Filth players swooped and that was that.

Both him and Gibbs can go back to the 2s for the rest of the season.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:58 pm 
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blueycarlton wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Snippets of Rattens presser on 3 AW..... HE WAS EXTREMELY PISSED OFF.
He used the word EMBARRASSED a number of times. Also said the the players didn't go when it was their turn (read soft). About time he got into them.
Let's see what happens at the selection table.


It's all too late.
The season is as good as over.
We have gone backwards big time this year. Essendon* will thump us next week and then it's all downhill.
Ratten is no good, his mates Kernahan, Teague, Lappin and the recruiting staff are a joke as well.
We need professional people at the club. Since Pratt's death nothing has happened.
Melbourne are going past us at 100MPH.
Yes,they aren't in the eight, but their recruiting is streets ahead of ours.
And they have almost paid off their debt.
Brett, for the sake of the club and it's supporters, do the right thing and RESIGN.
Stephen, hand the presidency over to someone who can attract the right business people to the club and to someone who can run a professional football club, and in a professional manner, and not just a mate's club.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:58 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Snippets of Rattens presser on 3 AW..... HE WAS EXTREMELY PISSED OFF.
He used the word EMBARRASSED a number of times. Also said the the players didn't go when it was their turn (read soft). About time he got into them.
Let's see what happens at the selection table.


Out: Johnson
IN: Robinson

:garthp:

Ratts is too pissweak to drop a big name.


We only have three big names: Judd, Gibbs and Murphy, and one of them is gone anyway.


and the other two have lost faith in their coach

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