Just a couple of relevant quotes

"Talking to the players at halftime and just talking to them after the game, I could probably sense with them that this was the only decision.

"I just feel I can't get that extra bit out of them at the moment."

Ricky Stuart after stepping down from the Cronulla sharks (NRL).

Stuart had lost the players and knew it. If Ratts had lost the players he would know it .

For some reason last week the players stepped up after disappearing into the change rooms at half time. This ability to get the extra bit isn't happening that often with Ratts and the team at the moment. Ratts is the best person to judge whether he is still adding value or is it time to give someone else a go. It may be that the players are giving it their all and there is nothing left to give, especially in terms of composure under pressure.

SYDNEY coach Paul Roos felt "helpless" on the interchange as Melbourne inflicted his worst defeat in eight years as a senior AFL coach.

"It hasn't happened a lot in eight years, so it's a bit of a strange feeling, to be honest," Roos said

Disappointingly a common feeling for Ratts now isn't it?

I think we need to shake something up, personally I would at the end of the year start with the assistants and non-performering players. I would still keep Ratts on until mid-season next year. Though if we are flogged by the Bombers and Richmond questions will have to be asked.

We do need a key forward but is the answer Pav? At the start of the season I would have agreed now I can't see him leaving Freo when they appear closer to the Premiership than us.

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I would have thought it's particularly pertinent.

Darcy was saying that Wallace wasn't open to the idea that players know better. I read that as being the Leading Teams approach. It empowers the players and if they don't consider the coach to be open to their inflated sense of importance, then what happens is the players crack the shits, the coach loses the players, the team plays like shit and the coach gets replaced.

Bringing in a third party to mentally coach the players has been a pretty bad idea, it would appear.

No, not even close. Would only cause more problems and there are bigger issues at hand.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I heard Pav was at Raheen a few weeks back.

How do you beat what the Docker's can offer as a vet with 50% of his wage outside the cap ?
My guess is by offering a chunk of $ through Visy after he retires.
Can he be gotten without losing too much in a trade given that he would be free to walk next year under free agency?

I dont think this list is likely to be a contender in the next 3 yrs so is he the right man to get ?

If we're really throwing time, resources, energy, not to mention money and probable draft picks, behind a push to recruit Pavlich, then that's a sorry indictment on those making the key footballing decisions at the club.

As good as Pavlich is, he will only address one of our many issues, and even then, it'd only be in the very short term. One suspects we'd simply drag him down a peg or two as we have with Judd, anyway.

Ludicrous, short-sighted stuff if true - and I don't doubt you for a moment, Doc. I just wish I could.

I think you're misreading the LT approach, or at least their claimed approach. Nothing I've seen about it from their perspective claims it's a players know best approach at all.

Based on our recruiting previously we are probably making a big money offer to Mitch Thorpe.

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Doc I still get the feeling their is a "culture" or "alcohol" problem.

There seem to be a few obvious "drinkers" amongst our younger players.

You won't be competitive if you get on the piss during the year these days.

I reckon Ratts will be axed. Once its perceived a bloke cant coach it is a long way back.

No team would perform consistantly with the experience that we had leave over in the last year. Fev, Stevens, Thornton, Judd for the first 3 games, Waite for a large chunk and even Houla for a few weeks. Those who believe he cant coach should be happy that he is coaching us through this phase or else this phase may have seen the end to a bloke you think can coach.

The coaches and players are floundering at the moment and look like they have no chance of meeting the expectations of the fans and only a very very slight chance of meeting the goal they hoped to reach (win a final).

Hard work and at least attempting to gel as a team would be a good starting point to get out of this mess but it looks to me as though the players have no interest in turning this around. Hopefully the club can worm out the disinterested and trade them off to the goldie.
Hopefully those players who have seen off countless assistants and after Ratts a couple of head coaches get the flick and we get some players with balls in to replace them.

Think you've read that completely wrong Verbs.



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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Even Port have more heart than us. They just knocked off the Dawks

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Could have been the Laidley factor there...credit where it's due - the junkyard dog has always been a good gameday tactician.

How so? Seems like that back up what I was saying.

Darcy is saying that a 360 degree feedback leadership program would have resulted in North winning more Premierships.

Darcy is saying that if the Dogs had had a Leading Teams-type leadership program, they would have won a flag. Wallace was not secure enough to allow it to happen, as it results in every person in the club being challenged to improve and take responsibility.

Darcy supports Leading Teams.

I don't see where you get that the Leading Teams program is not working. Leading Teams DID NOT work with the Bulldogs in the late 90s. Darcy believes if they had have, that the Dogs would have won the Flag.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I guess Adelaide must have used Leading Teams those years.

He is saying Wallace wouldn't have been able to accommodate the Leading Teams approach though.



It doesn't matter what mumbo jumbo Leading Teams come up with if the coach isn't going to be someone who takes it on board. Sheedy wouldn't have a bar of it. Malthouse no doubt either. Pagan, no way.

You can't empower the players in such a manner if it doesn't gel with the coaching panel. What happens is they players think they're the shit, the coaches tell them they're not, they players crack the shits and play to spite the coach, the team underperforms and the coach gets replaced.

We saw it, albeit without the assistance of Leading Teams, with Pagan and we're seeing it again with the assistance of Leading Teams.

Parkin was the type of coach who would've won the 1993, 1994, 1995 and 1996 (injuries permitting) premierships with the assistance of Leading Teams.

Club 29 Is that you saying that

The club IMO needs a complete overhaul
Its when the majority start to think this way then changes actually happen.

Verbs for your info Collingwood did have it but it doesnt work unless all the players embrace it
Chris Tarrant didnt and it got the arse
And thats why Tarrant went elsewhere
Me thinks we have too many precious individuals and when the chips are down they go missing
Thing is it is up to the coach to take a stand and say you dont play unless we are in this together

Ratten is simply too soft on his men.

i heard Leigh Mathews say that LT is one of many coaching approaches, and in his opinion, would not be the difference in winning a flag at any club.
(just repeating what he said here... )

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