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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:10 pm 
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Will Hoops and Armfield be fit.?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:27 pm 
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To the bloke who wants Thouy in. I reckon you are spot on. Zac looks all class. Personally, I do not understand the selection obsession with guys that are just ever going to be average footballers like Ellard when you have a guys like Thouey and Hampson. IMO if you persist with these guys in the seniors they will overtake the likes of Ellard.



Nah I reckon you need to reward any player who consistently play well in the 2's otherwise where is the motivation for everyone?
Agree with that. Ellard was ok as the game wore on.
If Armfield is unfit, i would go with Thouy. Considering his background and commitment to play AFL i`d say he is already mentally tough enough. Time to be bold. Sheedy (at his coaching best) loved bringing new players in for big matches.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:42 pm 
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Didak -Sidebottom and Reid have all just signed new contracts

Now if they were carlton players that would generally mean they would be totally useless for the next five or six games

We can only hope

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:51 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
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To the bloke who wants Thouy in. I reckon you are spot on. Zac looks all class. Personally, I do not understand the selection obsession with guys that are just ever going to be average footballers like Ellard when you have a guys like Thouey and Hampson. IMO if you persist with these guys in the seniors they will overtake the likes of Ellard.



Nah I reckon you need to reward any player who consistently play well in the 2's otherwise where is the motivation for everyone?
Agree with that. Ellard was ok as the game wore on.
If Armfield is unfit, i would go with Thouy. Considering his background and commitment to play AFL i`d say he is already mentally tough enough. Time to be bold. Sheedy (at his coaching best) loved bringing new players in for big matches.


I liked Ellards game, thought he at least looked desperate when he was near the ball. Would persist him with for a few more weeks


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:58 pm 
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Not sure what context you are using the word "hubris" in - but if its the context I think you are getting at if I claim to be a humble person then I am probably not so I cant win either way on that one. :wink:

I was definitely referring to your father. It's becoming more and more apparent his commentary is filtering into your posts.

If he wants to sit down and have a say, nothing more than his pride is stopping him from logging into his own account.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:09 am 
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Ellard was great, turned it over a couple times early, but he wasn't alone.. MOST IMPORTANTLY THOUGH he added a lot of defensive pressure across the middle and in doing so made us look much, much better.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:51 am 
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I agree with the tackling. Lately it's been quite pathetic and infuriating that either our tackles don't stick, so, as was the case last week, we somehow manage to get pinged for high tackles. So, for god's sake, aim for the hips, and aim hard and drive these mongrels into the turf.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:24 am 
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As a kid I was taught to tackle with my body rather than sticking your arms out and trying to tackle. To hold a tackle your body needs to be as close as possible to the player as your arms won't hold them if they have some momemtum.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:10 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Agro jr wrote:
Not sure what context you are using the word "hubris" in - but if its the context I think you are getting at if I claim to be a humble person then I am probably not so I cant win either way on that one. :wink:

I was definitely referring to your father. It's becoming more and more apparent his commentary is filtering into your posts.

If he wants to sit down and have a say, nothing more than his pride is stopping him from logging into his own account.


Does Agro not post anymore?
Obviously I'm up on the latest news. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:11 am 
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As a kid I was taught to tackle with my body rather than sticking your arms out and trying to tackle. To hold a tackle your body needs to be as close as possible to the player as your arms won't hold them if they have some momemtum.


This is a great point which I couldn't agree more with.
We do not tackle with intent. I don't know how many times I see our players put their hands out "pretending" to go through the motions instead of the "full on" body to body crunch. This is the reason why opposition players treat us with disrespect and run through us more and more. Not sure where the problem is but it's very evident and frustrating to watch the pretend tackle!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:09 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Agro jr wrote:
Not sure what context you are using the word "hubris" in - but if its the context I think you are getting at if I claim to be a humble person then I am probably not so I cant win either way on that one. :wink:

I was definitely referring to your father. It's becoming more and more apparent his commentary is filtering into your posts.

If he wants to sit down and have a say, nothing more than his pride is stopping him from logging into his own account.


Sorry if my opinions closely match that of my father could it be because I have lived at home for 17 years, gone to the football with my father for 13 years followed Carlton all my life that there is a slight possibility that my opinions about Carlton may closely match that of my fathers its not like he is Darth Vader and I am Luke Skywalker.

There are a lot of things I disagree with my father on for example on the time I can come home on a Friday or Saturday Night in particular. :oops: :wink:

With regards to Carlton I firmly disagreed with the trade for Brock McLean yet my dad thinks we should at least wait another season before passing judgement, Dad wants to trade Jarrad Waite because he thinks he is plays dumb and undisciplined football yet I think we would be crazy to trade him. On the other hand we both agree that Brett Ratten is not the coach we need to take Carlton forward. We both loved Brett Ratten as a great player of the club but its not a crime that he cant coach plenty great players of the game have proven they cant coach Tim Watson being a recent example.

Jimmae if you have a problem with MY opinions fine just bear in mind that my opinions are based on a lot of things (as are everyone elses).

My dad and I always have a robust discussions about a lot of things and if I don’t agree with some things I tell him, if we agree on certain things I am not embarrassed to say so.

So if you have a problem with that then bad luck for you, maybe you should address your own “dad” issues first.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:11 pm 
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I think it counts as a SuperCoach 'tackle' stat if you reach out and touch the guy with your forearm...

footy confidential focused on the strength & intensity of Melbourne's tackling all season and, especially, against the swans on Sunday.
in the early rounds of the season, before melbourne began to win, i remember thinking bailey has focused on tackling and intensity at the ball as an area they can win, irrespective of size and experience. they'd get smashed but would still be ferocious (at the man and the ball).
FC also highlighted a moment, late in the match which was all over, where Scully chose to block Kirk for teammate running through. They showed Gibbs NOT doing similar team things. Would like to see us tackle hard, go hard at the ball and block for each other.
We look like the opposite.
I love Murphy. Think he is capable of winning a brownlow. But, a couple of times on Sat, he clearly shirked a physical contest. Perhaps, in the context it was 'smart' play but I reckon last year, he was relishing these physical challenges.

The main difference b/w us playing well or poorly is our intensity. I can't believe Ratten coaches differently from week to week & that his 'bad' coaching efforts happen to coincide with all our losses. YEs, there are strategic & tactical things we can do better at but the primary determinant of good v bad performance is our intensity. when we go in hard, we creat more space & time which improves our effectiveness with the ball. the game 'falls our way'. When we are always 2nd to the ball or too slow or soft, the opposite results.

HARDEN UP!!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:00 pm 
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See, it can't be AGRO posting there. If it was him he would've just told Jimmae to get [REDACTED] :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:13 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
I think it counts as a SuperCoach 'tackle' stat if you reach out and touch the guy with your forearm...

footy confidential focused on the strength & intensity of Melbourne's tackling all season and, especially, against the swans on Sunday.
in the early rounds of the season, before melbourne began to win, i remember thinking bailey has focused on tackling and intensity at the ball as an area they can win, irrespective of size and experience. they'd get smashed but would still be ferocious (at the man and the ball).
FC also highlighted a moment, late in the match which was all over, where Scully chose to block Kirk for teammate running through. They showed Gibbs NOT doing similar team things. Would like to see us tackle hard, go hard at the ball and block for each other.
We look like the opposite.
I love Murphy. Think he is capable of winning a brownlow. But, a couple of times on Sat, he clearly shirked a physical contest. Perhaps, in the context it was 'smart' play but I reckon last year, he was relishing these physical challenges.

The main difference b/w us playing well or poorly is our intensity. I can't believe Ratten coaches differently from week to week & that his 'bad' coaching efforts happen to coincide with all our losses. YEs, there are strategic & tactical things we can do better at but the primary determinant of good v bad performance is our intensity. when we go in hard, we creat more space & time which improves our effectiveness with the ball. the game 'falls our way'. When we are always 2nd to the ball or too slow or soft, the opposite results.

HARDEN UP!!!!

I bloody well hope the Carlton coaches watched that and felt suitably embarrassed


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:17 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
woof wrote:
As a kid I was taught to tackle with my body rather than sticking your arms out and trying to tackle. To hold a tackle your body needs to be as close as possible to the player as your arms won't hold them if they have some momemtum.


This is a great point which I couldn't agree more with.
We do not tackle with intent. I don't know how many times I see our players put their hands out "pretending" to go through the motions instead of the "full on" body to body crunch. This is the reason why opposition players treat us with disrespect and run through us more and more. Not sure where the problem is but it's very evident and frustrating to watch the pretend tackle!



Get a copy of the Adelaide game, we certainly tackled with intent there. I know they where playing badly at the time, but the Crows are big bodies and we nailed 'em every chance we got.

Collingwood are a better side however, if we go in with the same mind set and can stay close at 3/4 timei think we'll pinch it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:18 pm 
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..i still firmly believe that if a lesser opponent that can out-pressure their better opponent by a fair bit, over 4 quarters,, will win the game.. ..and to do that, you need to play more man on man.. ..zoning off and guarding space may make kicking and hitting up targets a bit more difficult, but by allowing space you're also allowing time.. ..you have to take any time and space away from the pies.. ..out-pressure them all game and they will fold.. ..true for any team.. ..and that beats any game-plans and structures, cos it nullifies your opponent's ability to play 'their style'..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:42 pm 
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Agro jr wrote:
Sorry if my opinions closely match that of my father could it be because I have lived at home for 17 years, gone to the football with my father for 13 years followed Carlton all my life that there is a slight possibility that my opinions about Carlton may closely match that of my fathers its not like he is Darth Vader and I am Luke Skywalker.

There are a lot of things I disagree with my father on for example on the time I can come home on a Friday or Saturday Night in particular. :oops: :wink:

With regards to Carlton I firmly disagreed with the trade for Brock McLean yet my dad thinks we should at least wait another season before passing judgement, Dad wants to trade Jarrad Waite because he thinks he is plays dumb and undisciplined football yet I think we would be crazy to trade him. On the other hand we both agree that Brett Ratten is not the coach we need to take Carlton forward. We both loved Brett Ratten as a great player of the club but its not a crime that he cant coach plenty great players of the game have proven they cant coach Tim Watson being a recent example.

Jimmae if you have a problem with MY opinions fine just bear in mind that my opinions are based on a lot of things (as are everyone elses).

My dad and I always have a robust discussions about a lot of things and if I don’t agree with some things I tell him, if we agree on certain things I am not embarrassed to say so.

So if you have a problem with that then bad luck for you, maybe you should address your own “dad” issues first.

:lol:

I'm not accusing you of mimicry. You are your own man, and I've quietly noted that in the past. Now, I'm simply noting the similarity and synchronicity with regard to certain commentary (yes, I read your father's thoughts elsewhere). You've certainly posted more in his 'absence'.

Very few people would begrudge your father a say if he wandered back in officially, and they would generally be morons for doing so.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:18 pm 
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WE WANT AGRO BACK.... AND SYNBAD......


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:29 pm 
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Where is our collingwood buddy with his pre game analysis

Liked ready that

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