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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:47 pm 
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Ratten has 2 obvious weaknesses
he is tatically weak. He aint smart enough
he is too soft on the players


That's 3 weaknesses.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:02 pm 
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Nup...definitely 2. Macquarie Dictionary in hand...tatically not a word.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:13 pm 
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Appoint Parko overseer!

IMO the big problem within my club is that nobody accepts responsibility and it starts at the top.

Stick’s appalling handling of the media seems to always carry the undertone of playing the victim rather than accepting responsibility. Therefore to my mind it is not surprising that, similarly, Rats will also, by implication, blame the players – their attitude or inexperience or availability – but never himself. It is a cop out. It is weak. It is a tradesman blaming his tools.

The club is on the border of crisis and a responsible board would not just wait and see what happens – thinking maybe osmosis will intervene. IMO this is feeble, irresponsible and typical of a board of amateurs.

It is clear to me that Rats is out of his depth and sinking fast, but unfortunately he is the one on the horse and it would be stupid and destructive to change now, but he needs help.

I believe the club needs to IMMEDIATELY appoint a coaching overseer. The perfect choice for our club would be PARKO.

A role like this would INSTANTLY put all within the football department on notice and make them accountable - coaches, players the lot. In addition Parko does not have to get up to speed with the club, he has instant respect and Rats has worked with him before and would not see him as an immediate threat.

Parko can then take what he has learnt form the rest of this season and head a proper review process where all jobs are appraised.

I believe this approach, by holding everybody instantly accountable, but not interfering with current game plans/strategies (if we have them?) is our best way forward for the next six weeks.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:44 pm 
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The overseer idea is a good one.

Many here are recognising the shortcomings of Ratten & Sticks.
Great players and great blokes to have at the club but in my view both are struggling in their current roles.

I don't know what happens on selection night or in the box on match days, but would welcome somebody getting involved to figure out where we are at and identify areas for improvement.

Parkin is respected by Ratts & Sticks and would be able to tell it as he sees it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:05 pm 
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Parko is an absolute relic. He'd do next to nothing.

Parkin steiger? Nein.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:11 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Case in Point 1: St Kilda game first quarter, Waite starting one out in
the goal square we jump Saints and smash em on their favourite surface.
Since then Waite has been playing up the ground or suspended and Ratten
continues to play midgets out of the square and the forward line is an
absolute shambles. Today he had Mitch Robinson or Murphy at FF for most of
the day or Hampson who was ok but is no Waite. Stupidity.

Waite getting himself suspended has nothing to do with Ratts, and to suggest such is absurd.

Surely you acknowledge that?

I reckon Waite leading up the ground to the wing has more to do with the way the midfield is bringing the ball out of defence, and delivering to the forwards rather than forward line setups.

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Point 2: Is this bloke trying to do the Luke Livingstone on Henderson???
In the last few weeks he has sent Henderson back to defence as a loose man
or Full Back and he has no idea what he's doing there! Here is the guy that is earmarked to lock down CHF for us over the next ten years and he is destroying the kids confidence by playing him in defence. Leave Waite at FF and Henderson at CHF and let them work it out, it worked earlier in the year why not now??

Point 3; Defence is a shambles, Aaron Joseph is a liability in the BP he is getting beaten every week, does not touch the footy and when he does he ****s it up, AJ is geting a game based on the fact he kept Ablett to half a dozen in a NAB Cup game two years ago! Time to go AJ...nowhere near good enough. Bring in Davies or someone because AJ is killing us.

So Point 2 says that you want to develop players (Henderson) at the detrement of winning.


Point 3 says that you want to win at the detrement of player development.

Make up your mind; they're not always mutually achieveable.

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Point 4: Players do not respect Ratten and are not scared of him and as a result when it goes belly up they go to water. Now Mick Malthouse and Collingwood are the perfect example of why a team should be shit scared of their coach. Collingwood as far as i'm concerned are as good and consistent as they are because they're afraid of the coach, they respect him and they play for him. they're no better on paper than many other sides in the comp, but they play to a plan, they put in because they're scared of the boss! Carlton players do not fear Ratten and they definitely pick and choose when they wanna play for him!

Filth players are not scared of Malthouse.

What's he going to to?

Take them out behind the sheds, and beat the snot out of them?

What a ridiculous statement.

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Time to get rid of the boys club at Carlton, our forward line is a shambles and the forward coach Lappin has no idea, he and Teague only have a job because the club owed em money or some shit...see you later Skinny forward line structure with and without Fev has been a shambles since he's been in charge!

I agree that out forward structures are not up to scratch.

I agree that Lappin was appointed without proving himself as a coach.

However unless you have any kind of proof in regards to this statement "Lappin has no idea, he and Teague only have a job because the club owed em money or some shit..." then I call bullshit.

Prove it, or retract your statement.

Put up, or shut up.

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Kernahan for the good of the club has to stand down as President and let a business man with no personal ties to the club step in and take charge and shake the place up.

I fail to see what Sticks business acumen has to do with our onfield performance.

Perhaps you can explain it to me?

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Brings me to Ratten!! as far as i'm concerned i've seen nothing from this guy which suggests he will be a good coach, he mumble jumbles through press conferences, he makes bad moves on match day, we seem to have no plan to counter any negative movements in a game, the players seem disinterested when the going gets tough, the players don't seem to fear or respect him.

I don't see what Ratts media performance has to do with his coaching ability.

I agree that he's too reactive during matches.

What bullshit about players fearing him. I reckon this kind of thinking is stuck in the 80's. I don't think any modern day player would respond to this kind of crap at all.

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A coach who could rattle the cages of these guys has just become available and his name is Mark Williams...piss Ratten off and get this guy on board, bring in a new set of assistant coaches and start rattling these overpaid primadonnas who pick and choose when they turn up to work. I'm sick of excuses our best is good enough and its time to bring in people who can get the best out of these guys every week and people who can put the fear of god into them!

And the kicker!

Mark Williams? FFS!

You couldn't be more wrong even if you were wrong on the wrongest day of your life with an electrified wronging machine.


The whole point of the post is that i am giving examples(case points) of what Ratts has done in my eyes from watching games LIVE!!!!



On point one Where Have i written that Waite being suspended is Ratten's Fault????

On point 2 where does it state that i want to develop players at the detrement of winning??

In point 3 where does it state that i want to win at the dtrement of players???

On point 4 a footy side is reflective of there coach and if you think we aren't SOFT then your watching a diffrent team.

READ my post properly again and don't put words into my mouth......................................


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:52 pm 
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Jimmae, the point I am making is that IMO management/coaches/players within my club do not readily take responsibility. As a quick relatively easy, constructive change I am suggesting the appointment of a coaching oversee that would instantly hold these people to account.

Whether it is Parko, Walls or whoever is not the point – I only thought that Parko, given his relatively recent history with the club, would be the least disruptive.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:30 pm 
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I would have thought Parkin would have been worse to front up such an initiative given that he would have more ties to those current in the employ of the club. Parkin is also fairly laid back these days, not remotely up to speed on the game, football administration, etc, and probably not willing to do so.

Walls on the other hand might be.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:41 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
I would have thought Parkin would have been worse to front up such an initiative given that he would have more ties to those current in the employ of the club. Parkin is also fairly laid back these days, not remotely up to speed on the game, football administration, etc, and probably not willing to do so.

Walls on the other hand might be.


It's not something that would be implemented to a side still very much in finals contention. If we were bottom four, then by all means - try something with someone who was trusted and could provide a different perspective. We still have Leading Teams doing some work with the coaching group, so that would be going completely against their mantra.

For interest - here's a list of all clubs and their current coaching staff.

http://aflca.com.au/index.php?id=profiles


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:27 pm 
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16 flags wrote:
The overseer idea is a good one.

Many here are recognising the shortcomings of Ratten & Sticks.
Great players and great blokes to have at the club but in my view both are struggling in their current roles.

I don't know what happens on selection night or in the box on match days, but would welcome somebody getting involved to figure out where we are at and identify areas for improvement.

Parkin is respected by Ratts & Sticks and would be able to tell it as he sees it.


So we bring in an overseer because we know that Sticks and Ratts are not up to it??? :sly:

I'd rather they stay right where they are until we grow some balls as a club where we can finally make professionally based decisions....band aid aint the way to go unless your thinking of bringing in Bob Geldoff to oversee.... :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:35 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
jimmae wrote:
I would have thought Parkin would have been worse to front up such an initiative given that he would have more ties to those current in the employ of the club. Parkin is also fairly laid back these days, not remotely up to speed on the game, football administration, etc, and probably not willing to do so.

Walls on the other hand might be.


It's not something that would be implemented to a side still very much in finals contention. If we were bottom four, then by all means - try something with someone who was trusted and could provide a different perspective. We still have Leading Teams doing some work with the coaching group, so that would be going completely against their mantra.

For interest - here's a list of all clubs and their current coaching staff.

http://aflca.com.au/index.php?id=profiles

The board could easily organise a low-key audit and have the necessary details sent to an appointed committee. Write up some confidentiality clauses for Walls et al, and you're away.

By the way, Broadbridge reads more like a high-end technical consultant and development coach reading that AFLCA blurb.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:14 pm 
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Forget blurbs Jim. If you meet him and listen to him speak, you'll realise he is a lateral thinker who has a great grasp of the game and tactics.
He'd be wasted in a purely development role.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:37 pm 
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Forget blurbs Jim. If you meet him and listen to him speak, you'll realise he is a lateral thinker who has a great grasp of the game and tactics.
He'd be wasted in a purely development role.

Actually, if there was more of a market for it, I would have suggested he become a technical consultant. He'd make more money in theory.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:03 pm 
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Paul Roos leaves the Swans at the end of the year - might be a good person to complete an independent review of the CFC footy dept.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:22 pm 
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Don't know if it belongs in here or not. Brad Hardie can talk crap with the best of them, so its here it is.

Brad Hardie on 6PR tonight said that he does not believe Ratts will be coaching Calton next year. (did not say if it was dependant on Carlton playing finals)

Allegedly his sources inside Carlton (who would the bloodnut know at Carlton) have said that he's not flash in the box, can't get his message across, and does not know what to do once the game starts.

He believed that the club has been aware of it for some time but they have been hoping he grows into the job and he hasn't.

Make what you will of that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:52 pm 
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Make what you will of that.


Possum stew?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:45 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Ratten has 2 obvious weaknesses
he is tatically weak. He aint smart enough
he is too soft on the players

he was basically handed the job on a platter compared to what should occur
he is not up to it

Sticks just has to be sent too. The president is such an imortant person in the club.

Kernahan is a yes man

And make Simmo captain

As i said before, Ratten must go now,Sticks has absolutely no influence on how the interview panel is set up and we have a thorough interview process to get the best man for the job

A coach who is smart and has a vision
A coach who wont except the shit the players are delivering


Its that simple
If it aint done now we wont be ready by trade day.

The wheel thats called AFL business keeps turning 365 days a year.

SO TIME TO ACT


I actually read this post this morning and was struck by the fact you think any of this is simple.

Tonight I couldn't remember which thread you'd said it in so I did a search for 'simple' and 'keogh'. There were 66 results :lol:

So you think everything is simple...no wonder you don't understand how football works.

Look, I get the feeling others who want to sack the coach think its simple too. We'll sack the coach and it'll solve all our problems, like waving a magic wand. Instant gratification for supporters who think coaching is simple.

Football is so simple that sacking our coach is going to solve everything and bring success to our club...yet, we've got a 250 game, 3 time time B&F winner as coach and you think he doesn't understand football. You do though...coz its simple.

David Parkin, who some of you rate highly enough to want to bring back as an advisor, once said

Quote:
"In many ways he was leading us (the coaching staff) in forming of a game plan and I don't think any player I've ever coached was able to influence our thinking as often or accurately as 'Ratts' could."


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/afl/afl ... -j3t5.html

And you're so certain he can't coach....a bunch of people who have no involvement in the game at the top level...probably any level...have very little understanding of how the game is played and what happens at the club behind closed doors...think you know better than our coaching staff, match committee, board and a 4 time premiership coach and so certain are you that you know better, you're prepared to come on here and bleat it time after time, not just cast doubts over it and question things...you lot go feral over it.

btw, when I talk about having little understand how the game is played now, I include myself in that. There's only one person on these boards who even comes close to having an understanding of how modern football works and how to even start judging a coach. He's given his opinion, as recently as today, yet I reckon very few, if any, of you even gave his view a second glance.

The only thing simple about this is how you view the game in your own minds.

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There's only one person on these boards who even comes close to having an understanding of how modern football works and how to even start judging a coach. He's given his opinion, as recently as today, yet I reckon very few, if any, of you even gave his view a second glance.




:oops: Stop it Brad....

You are talking about me, right?

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doesnt have an avatar as if anyones gonna read his posts

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doesnt have an avatar as if anyones gonna read his posts


:lol:


No-one responds to good posts because you can't to be outraged at them. TC = :mad:


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