Surely you don't mean Mumford; who is two years older than Jacobs, and has played 15 more games than Jacobs?

I don't think Jacobs was beaten by Pike. I reckon the stats support this opinion.

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Love your passion.
You are dead right about this game...it's win or season is over. 22 vs 22.

I think if you look at the way Jacobs started the last 3 games, he fumbled, and although he may have not set the tone for the whole team, he was one of the first to fumble...and it spread.

Setanta is in the VFL. Waite and Henderson are our two talls. One of those 2 will be leading out to link between mids and fwd line. Do we have enough fire power up forward?

Hammer showed something Warnock didn't in the VFL
We had to replace Kreuzer and Hammer earned the nod.
Last week Hammer showed good defensive pressure...because he had the pace to do so. TICK
Last week Hammer showed he is our best option after Waite and Hendo at the FF line. TICK
IMO he's better at FF than Hendo at this stage.

We haven't been carrying Hammer, we've introduced him to senior level for the first time in 2010. He was injured all preseason.
Sure it took him a couple of games to get in the swing of things, and when he did he showed more than Warnock and Sauce imo.

I think Sauce has been serviceable, and mentioned 3 weeks ago he was overated because he wasn't playing as well as he did in previous weeks. Sauce isn't that great. Happy to have him in the team, but lets see what the MC do. One thing for sure Warnock is coming in. If that's for Sauce, well imo we don't lose that much if we don't gain that much...just a few cms against Cox and Nic Nat who will run Sauce to the ground (if he's selected) on the big Subiaco oval. You have to consider the size of the ground and the pace Sause will be up against.
Taking those 2 points into consideration, can you se the value Hammer brings to this game? Can you see where Sauce will be a liability in such a situation?

Now as for the comments I made about degrading a player.
Well, yes I would consider the statement that we are carrying Hammer (a tall fast ruckman for Subiaco) as degrading his value to this team.
You can't see one single positive that Hammer brings to the table from what I've read, let alone any of Sauce's shortcomings. A bit bias imo.

But keep up the passion. None of us are right or wrong till the final siren come this Saturday night.

GO BLUES

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That's what I thought after the game AK43.

Yarran and Hammer = highlights = future = hope ...................and felt for Judd too.

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Big game for Robbie.

If he can be competitive and break even we will go a long way towards winning.

Hampson is a star in the making......Harry Madden struggled for quite a while when he arrived at Carlton....Warnock; similarly; will take time.

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Shag, i appreciate your response, although we clearly have differing opinions here!

To your first point, i think our whole forwardline are struggling for form to a degree, so who to replace him with is a really tough one! Though he is not playing a permanent forward game as he's doing quite a bit of ruckwork, so would you replace him with a permanent forward??
We did happen to comfortably account for the cats and saints without him and his work ethic, which is the minimum required these days isn't it? its expected that we run and chase all day regardless of form.

"If the delivery to and structure of our forwardline was actually good, his talents would have been even more evident the last few weeks" - this comment pretty much sums it up for me, you are saying that if the structure and entries were going great that he too would be playing great footy. Don't you think that if our forward structure and entries were going well that setanta would still be in the side kicking bags and hammer still in the ants??

To say that the club must persist is off the mark IMO, The steps that Warnock was taking early on were great too, i remember clearly him taking some nice marks, always chasing hard and working back when not in possession!

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They support that on the day Jacobs was beaten. Time for a spell and to play the guy we are paying big money for and who has been in good form in the twos.

Jacobs is a good kid and will be a good back up ruckman, but ATM he's not first ruck material.

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Are you talking about during the pre-season or the regular season? He was definitely doing all of that in the pre-season, but as soon as the regular season started he was out of his depth.

Took 7 marks in 5 games.

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appreciate the reply BB, you make some great points and thats what i love about this site, some really insightful thoughts and ideas. The one thing that we definitely agree upon is this satdy's game, MUST WIN-GO BLUES

Lets hope all goes well and i'd love to be proven wrong.... honest!

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Yep. I'm a wrap for Hammer and the more games he gets the better off we'll be.

Yarran, I'm not so sold on, seems to run onto a lot of easy footy, which is ok when we're travelling well, but we are not travelling well.


MC don't have much of a clue with our talls and never have.

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Good decision

Jacobs is a solid backup ruckman.
Hes not a number 1 ruckman and will never be.
Atleast Warnock has potential to be a top ruckman and we are wasting his development in the VFL.

Doesn't mattrer who wins the tap for us if it goes straight to an opposition player.
Or if it goes to one of our own players who is standing at the ruckman's feet.
What happened to the concept of hitting it to a team-mate in the clear? I know it's not as easy as before but sometimes it's OK to tap the footy more than 30 cm. Once upon a time, they even punched it to CHF to vary the play and take the defesive mids out of their comfort zone.

Warnock has the height and should win the hitouts. If he can tap to OUR advantage, we (on paper, not on performance) have the smalls to get clearances.

Do we remember a couple of years ago when we used to lose the hitouts and win the clearances? Now we win the hitouts most weeks and lately have been losing the clearances.
Why? Only Judd is having a crack. The others, Murphy for one, are turning into receivers while Judd is doing the hard yards. McLean and Hadley are not available. Robinson is happy to do it but has been deemed not satisfactory so it looks as though Judd will spend another two hours on the bottom of the pack while the rest look on and admire his efforts.

Have a go ya mugs!

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For the record, I probably should have mentioned by no that I actually would prefer not to see Hampson in the ruck. We should be playing all three, with Hammer permanent forward.

Setanta hasnt shown enough in some games that we did win. It's been great to see him snag some goals, but i havent gone into any game this season feeling confident that he will do much for us. I have however started to feel that with Hampson. If he has a full game at FF he would improve out of site.

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I don't think we should go in to a game with 206, Sauce and Hammer

so play Hammer at FF and in the ruck

but

I also would not make the changes into the ruck and off the ground too regularly, its just my opinion, but I get the feel that Hammer needs to be on the ground focused on primarily 1 task at the moment.

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Well said Danny.
I would like to see us play Hammer, Waite & Hendo up forward for this week at Subi.
I would also like to see us rotate Hammer/Warnock in the pocket. Lets see what they can offer with this type of setup.
Instruct our midfielders to honour the lead (Waite & Hendo) but if not possible go the square where the ruckman needs to be for the contest with Betts/Gartlett/Yarran yappin at the feet.
Lets get back to some basics.

Leave Hammer in the forward line to learn the caper.

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Have you watched a replay?

Hampson's first goal came in the second quarter after a contested and pack mark in the the square.

Read Waite's pass better than the three or four opponents flooding the goal square.

Also cut off Sydney's rebound 50 eighty metres out from our goals.

I felt Hampson was better than Pyke around the ground and in the ruck.

Hampson ran forward to mark on the wing and played on to handpass to a teammate who kicked it to him.

The only thing Pyke and Mumford have over him was size because they are 24 and 26 years old.

They're monsters.

Hampson has huge arms, but he is yet to fill out in the upper body and develop the core strength that he'll have at 25.

People should calm down and stop potting Hampson.

It's a Warnokc thread.