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Juddy&theKruezers
 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:19 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
no its gone from kick it to eddie and others to kick it to the opposition cos when it was kick it to eddie (and others) it was working


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Leave aside the delivery into the forward line for the moment, which seems to me to be a coaching issue as much as a skill issue.

We need to find 2 key forward, we all know that. Problem is that our only options are:

- Waite - been suspended. Best forward position is CHF
- Henderson - best forward position is CHF
- O'hAilpin - injured and / or out of form. Best position is FF
- Fisher - probably not up to it. Best position is a flank
- Hampson - untried, best position forward is probably FF
- Kreuzer - injured. Best position forward (IMHO) is CHF.

I believe that the best thing for Henderson's long term development is an extended run in the reserves. Let him kick 5 goals 5 weeks in a row, and be brimming with confidence when he comes in. Problem with that is who do you play forward?

Waite at FF is not the answer, he needs space. Maybe we go with Waite at CHF and Hampson permanently out of the goal square? He certainly showed a bit in the last quarter agains Sydney.

If we play both Henderson and Waite forward, they both seem to be natural CHFs. Who plays FF?

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
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for me, the problem with Waite is he's a bit like Cloke, gets far too many piss easy kicks between half back and wing, leaving the space behind as empty as grandma's mouth.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:14 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
To me we get caught to much that forces the turnover - other teams have more time and space so the delivery is a lot better - Ours always seemed to be rushed

It could be we dont protect the kicker
It could be the forwards dont move to the right place at the right time forcing us to prop and stop
It could be they are endurance fit and not sprint fit - which could explain the slow starts and better finishes
It could be they are crap kickers of the ball


I am still very disappointed we didnt persist with Kruezer up forward it was a golden opportunity to develop the kid into a truely great forward along with Hendo and Waite pinch hitting especailly with three other rucks in the squad - I know he was playing his best football on the ball but we were screaming out for a replacement forward and we f#*ked it big time - I know I will get all the Ohalpin lovers saying he was the answer but blind freddy could see that once he started to kick a few they would start to put better defenders on him and that would be the end of him

If we dont find a forward on the off season I bloody well hope that he returns as a forward - He could always pinch hit in the ruck if form drops -


It could be a lack of talk between team mates.

Kreuzer as the KP fwd would always work imo. That's FF or CHF; doesn't matter.
If he's as good a footballer as everyone thinks then he's better than Setanta as a KP forward too.
The midfield coaches won that battle.

Too late for 2010.

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BRAD FISHER


While Playing for Northern Bullants in 2010 VFL Seniors



M Last Gls GLR GlsAv NB B
7 17/07/2010 21 4 3 4 11


Game Log
Date/Time Played For Opposition Gls B
Sat 29/May Northern Bullants Coburg Tigers 2 -
Sat 5/Jun Northern Bullants Gold Coast 2 6
Sat 12/Jun Northern Bullants Collingwood 3 -
Sun 20/Jun Northern Bullants Port Melbourne 2 -
Sat 3/Jul Northern Bullants Geelong 4 3
Sun 11/Jul Northern Bullants Box Hill Hawks 4 5
Sat 17/Jul Northern Bullants Werribee Tigers 4 3


Its probably Fisher time very soon. Maybe not a Subiaco trip first up but this is the best forward form in the Bullants over the past 7 weeks. What more can the guy do? Also needs 2 more games foe the 100.

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I'd be interested in seeing how many tackles Fisher has laid, and how many disposals his direct opponent has made; especially their number of rebound 50's.

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Lurker Blue wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing how many tackles Fisher has laid, and how many disposals his direct opponent has made; especially their number of rebound 50's.


And then compare that with the same figures for Carlos...

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:27 pm 
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Lachie Henederson too

One thing we know about the Fish is that he can take a contested grab.
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As long as we're comparing statistics like-for-like, VFL against VFL, AFL against AFL; absolutely.

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Lurker Blue wrote:
As long as we're comparing statistics like-for-like, VFL against VFL, AFL against AFL; absolutely.


I know where you are coming from regarding Fish...but geez having watched the crap that Carlos has dished up in the last 5 or so weeks....I'd be really interested to read his numbers...Fish will always have his issues but at least he has a football brain at least he has that...

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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Fish will always have his issues but at least he has a football brain at least he has that...

Agree 100%.

On the flip side... Carlos will always have his issues but at least he has his athleticism at least he has that... :wink:

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Lurker Blue wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Fish will always have his issues but at least he has a football brain at least he has that...

Agree 100%.

On the flip side... Carlos will always have his issues but at least he has his athleticism at least he has that... :wink:

If only that were the case at the moment. More calf's blood for him it would seem.

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gotta get fisher to 100 games -- for father.son reasons... younger than setanta and better player.
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jimmae wrote:
Lurker Blue wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Fish will always have his issues but at least he has a football brain at least he has that...

Agree 100%.

On the flip side... Carlos will always have his issues but at least he has his athleticism at least he has that... :wink:

If only that were the case at the moment. More calf's blood for him it would seem.

Do you think it's a matter of injury, or Setanta suffering the same malaise the rest of the players seem to be going though?

I reckon the coaches have instructed Setanta to try to drag his man outside the forward 50, to leave space for the little blokes to operate in.

For the first half of the season this was working.

Once opposition teams worked this out, Setantas direct opponent has zoned off of him, and gone third man up.

In this situation our midfielders should be kicking it to him, and not to the outnumbered contest.

They have not been doing this, so it's understandable (not acceptable though) that Setanta would drop is head.

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It might be a question of a change in tactic by the opposition to an extent, but his burst has disappeared from his leads and his chasing.

While that might be a mental thing or a niggle, it's the same problem that occurred with his calf at about this time in the previous two seasons. He has personally stated he lost his explosiveness in his legs once the vessels had collapsed.

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:21 pm 
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His kicking is ordinary, he goes to ground too easily, he's not quick, and he's not in our next premiership team.........but he's one of the only guys on our list at present who can take a contested mark. Play him from the goal square with 2 of the amigos crumbing.

We could do worse.
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MIL
 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:23 pm 
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I was talking about Fish.
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