''What?.........me worry?''

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I Lloved Ratts as a player but as a coach he is found wanting big time!

Now i'm sick of cop outs (young, inconsistent, learning etc etc) because earlier in the year we beat Geelong on a flat track on the MCG, St Kilda
by 12 goals at the dome, Adealaide and Port in Adelaide and on our day can match it with anybody.

Yet in the last few weeks we have been embarrassed by North, Freo, WB, Hawthorn and Sydney, comprehensively outsmarted and outcoached in every game and outplayed.

Case in Point 1: St Kilda game first quarter, Waite starting one out in
the goal square we jump Saints and smash em on their favourite surface.
Since then Waite has been playing up the ground or suspended and Ratten
continues to play midgets out of the square and the forward line is an
absolute shambles. Today he had Mitch Robinson or Murphy at FF for most of
the day or Hampson who was ok but is no Waite. Stupidity.

Point 2: Is this bloke trying to do the Luke Livingstone on Henderson???
In the last few weeks he has sent Henderson back to defence as a loose man
or Full Back and he has no idea what he's doing there! Here is the guy that is earmarked to lock down CHF for us over the next ten years and he is destroying the kids confidence by playing him in defence. Leave Waite at FF and Henderson at CHF and let them work it out, it worked earlier in the year why not now??

Point 3; Defence is a shambles, Aaron Joseph is a liability in the BP he is getting beaten every week, does not touch the footy and when he does he ****s it up, AJ is geting a game based on the fact he kept Ablett to half a dozen in a NAB Cup game two years ago! Time to go AJ...nowhere near good enough. Bring in Davies or someone because AJ is killing us.

Point 4: Players do not respect Ratten and are not scared of him and as a result when it goes belly up they go to water. Now Mick Malthouse and Collingwood are the perfect example of why a team should be shit scared of their coach. Collingwood as far as i'm concerned are as good and consistent as they are because they're afraid of the coach, they respect him and they play for him. they're no better on paper than many other sides in the comp, but they play to a plan, they put in because they're scared of the boss! Carlton players do not fear Ratten and they definitely pick and choose when they wanna play for him!

Time to get rid of the boys club at Carlton, our forward line is a shambles and the forward coach Lappin has no idea, he and Teague only have a job because the club owed em money or some shit...see you later Skinny forward line structure with and without Fev has been a shambles since he's been in charge!

Kernahan for the good of the club has to stand down as President and let a business man with no personal ties to the club step in and take charge and shake the place up.

Brings me to Ratten!! as far as i'm concerned i've seen nothing from this guy which suggests he will be a good coach, he mumble jumbles through press conferences, he makes bad moves on match day, we seem to have no plan to counter any negative movements in a game, the players seem disinterested when the going gets tough, the players don't seem to fear or respect him.

A coach who could rattle the cages of these guys has just become available and his name is Mark Williams...piss Ratten off and get this guy on board, bring in a new set of assistant coaches and start rattling these overpaid primadonnas who pick and choose when they turn up to work. I'm sick of excuses our best is good enough and its time to bring in people who can get the best out of these guys every week and people who can put the fear of god into them!

I agree with most of your post except the part about Ratts...we need to give him until seasons end and review his status then based on the goals he set himself pre-season....it's only fair

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Well expressed Deano. I think you've nailed some crucial points.

Aramari said something earlier in the season that really stuck with me. To paraphase (with apologies). Just because we've been down for years and had the benefit of the Judd trade and three consecutive number 1 picks and we appeared to be on the rise doesnt guarantee that we will continue an inexorable rise to the flag as if its pre-ordained.

In fact the despair and anxiety we're all feeling at present is because of the fear that we're about to be cheated out of something we deserve, and a big part of that is the coaches fault. Imagine snaring Chris Judd and wasting it!

I have two main criticisms of Ratts. One, that he's not smart enough and is tactically weak, especially when things arent going well. Two, that he doesnt have the dynamism to motivate players sufficiently at times

I dont think coaching by fear is necessarily the answer Deano, despite your very valid points. Pagan coached like that, and it didnt work. Ratts appears to be well liked and has clearly done well with some players (eg Jordan Russell), so he doesnt lack interpersonal skills. But personally I'd like to see a bit more spark and zip. Tactical acumen is my big bug bear however.

As someone said recently a BIG club like Carlton needs a BIG coach.

Lets hope we can salvage something from the rest of the season.

Waite getting himself suspended has nothing to do with Ratts, and to suggest such is absurd.

Surely you acknowledge that?

I reckon Waite leading up the ground to the wing has more to do with the way the midfield is bringing the ball out of defence, and delivering to the forwards rather than forward line setups.


So Point 2 says that you want to develop players (Henderson) at the detrement of winning.

Point 3 says that you want to win at the detrement of player development.

Make up your mind; they're not always mutually achieveable.


Filth players are not scared of Malthouse.

What's he going to to?

Take them out behind the sheds, and beat the snot out of them?

What a ridiculous statement.


I agree that out forward structures are not up to scratch.

I agree that Lappin was appointed without proving himself as a coach.

However unless you have any kind of proof in regards to this statement "Lappin has no idea, he and Teague only have a job because the club owed em money or some shit..." then I call bullshit.

Prove it, or retract your statement.

Put up, or shut up.


I fail to see what Sticks business acumen has to do with our onfield performance.

Perhaps you can explain it to me?


I don't see what Ratts media performance has to do with his coaching ability.

I agree that he's too reactive during matches.

What bullshit about players fearing him. I reckon this kind of thinking is stuck in the 80's. I don't think any modern day player would respond to this kind of crap at all.


And the kicker!

Mark Williams? FFS!

You couldn't be more wrong even if you were wrong on the wrongest day of your life with an electrified wronging machine.

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Oh, I thought this thread might have been about Collo and the Etihad surface.

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Ratten has 2 obvious weaknesses
he is tatically weak. He aint smart enough
he is too soft on the players

he was basically handed the job on a platter compared to what should occur
he is not up to it

Sticks just has to be sent too. The president is such an imortant person in the club.

Kernahan is a yes man

And make Simmo captain

As i said before, Ratten must go now,Sticks has absolutely no influence on how the interview panel is set up and we have a thorough interview process to get the best man for the job

A coach who is smart and has a vision
A coach who wont except the shit the players are delivering


Its that simple
If it aint done now we wont be ready by trade day.

The wheel thats called AFL business keeps turning 365 days a year.

SO TIME TO ACT

Ratts biggest problem is he has a group of players who are quite comfortable with the fact of losing -

It was brought to the club by two to three years of tanking and that hurt your supposed to feel when you lose just isn't there

I dont know how you break that and still He and the CEO are excepting of the player performances

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That's what it seems like. Why it happens, I haven't the fogiest, but losing the final last year agter leading by 5 goals in the last should have provided the motivation the team needs to fear defeat; obviously it didn't.

Harden the @#$%&! up and stop saying 'die'!

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But Collo reckons it's not the surface it's the boots!

In that case he's a liar.

Having worked in the Corporate world in my past life I have found CEO's to not tell the truth and are more akin to spin doctors with an impressive title. This is especially so when we want to see our share price improve without any compelling reason other than the spin.

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I think some are happy enough with the lifestyle AFL brings.
I think some just play for their next contract.
I think some play with a fierce desire to reach the ultimate success - a premiership.
I think MOST still don't know what level of effort is required to be consistently successful.

Outside you writing except rather than accept.
I completely agree.
I feel dirty.

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I know every human being reacts differently to each other but.......ever notice how Ratts in the Box during a game is relatively impassive; whilst Rocket Eade is forever banging his head on the desk in frustration?

Then again.....Bomber Thompson is impassive......but his side's usually winning aren't they?....big difference.

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Thats what scares me the most.. long term ramifications from tanking?

For the record I was a supporter of this but now I'm wondering whether long term its left us with some residule psychological failings!

Funny how I got howled down by the pro-tankers when I raised that very point back in the day.

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L.M 35-06

Jack Dyer had a good term for a team in our present form............''LOSINGITIS''......it's not silly.

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I've wondered that too - being so crap for so many seasons seems to have had some long term effects.

read the entre thread .... still heart broken. Just want to see us out of this rutt.

If Ratts turns it around he still needs way better support in the box.

I am worried but not much I can do.

Just hope the powerbrokers at the club see whats going on and do what is in the best interest for the club.

Sadly I can offer no advice on these decisions my skills lie elsewhere.

All I can do is support the club I love.

GO BLUES

Sacking the coach will really stop players from making stupid decisions ... it will also make them highly skillful.

The most important people at the club are the recruiters. Regardless of Ratten's coaching abilities, you cannot turn chaff into wheat.

I am so glad you guys are not in charge of the club.

The groundhog definitely sees a shadow ... another 3 years of winter.

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