there is now only a fab "two" - paul and ringo

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Perhaps you're right Doc but there's second choice and there is second choice!

Greg Swann and David Misson are considered to be near the top of the field in their areas of expertise. But no one considers Ratts to be near the top of his field, he's probably on a par with Knights at the bottom! Ratts wouldn't get a head coaching job if all eighteen positions were available today!

But you guys really need to look at the big picture.

Most people on here love their footy. That's great. But in reality, their knowledge of AFL level coaching methodology is a bit like my knowledge of the Opera, Don Giovanni...I can follow it to some extent, I like Mozarts work, the singing is great - but the intricacies of it are lost on me. The chick that played the part of Zerlina had massive jugs though...I thought she was BOG.

DOC mate, if you ask the most die hard Carlton supporter to explain to you our game plan i bet the only response you'll get is them dusting off the dandruff off there shoulders from scratching away at there heads.

The only game in his 3 years of coaching where i actually could see some resemblance of a game plan was the round 7 effort against the Saints where we killed them on the transition. Other than that i can't even think of a time where i could tell ya how we go about it.

The players themselves have no idea cause they're just as dumbfounded as the most of us and play that way. RATTEN HAS NO TRICKS - HIS ONLY ANSER IS TO BE REACTIVE

and whats more worrying is the only time our boys look comfortable out there is when one of them holds the ball above there head and they can chip it around......... SAD!!!!

QFT!

It would be laughable if it wasn't so true.

It's an indictment on the AFL media.


Their ignorance of the game is their fault, not anyone elses.


Quote/link/source/anything or GTFO!

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So do we need a target man, or a power forward?

How many genuine power forwards are there in the game?

A target man for team structure, yes, we need that. But we don't necessarily need a power forward that makes us one dimensional. Again.

In theory, we have target men in Henderson and O'hAilpin, with added back up (possibly) from Kreuzer and Hampson. Carlos worked okay towards the start of the year, but has dropped off badly, obviously. Henderson has shown patches, but needs to be given more time. It'd probably be nice if he was able to be left in the forward line too, rather than flip flopping in defence as well.

I don't believe we need to chase a mature ready made player.

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Doc, I'm not sure how your response relates to my statement so I'll try again.

Do you consider Swann and Cordy to be near the top of their field?

Do you consider Ratts to be near the top of his field?

And finally, for those that don't understand the intricacies of AFL coaching methodology are you able to explain our game plan etc that would help many around here!

Those are just loaded questions. Ratten is starting his senior coaching career, while Swann & Cordy are experienced in their roles.

Every person in every position has their first day in that role some time. There are a heap of new coaches coming through AFL ranks because of the transition of the game, and the old stagers being shown up. I think the penny will finally drop for those remaining in denial when Sheedy gets back in the game with GWS. I'll happily stand and applaud the bloke if he somehow manages to develop into a modern strategist, because he will be dumping his ego, and essentially re-tooling all bar the fundamentals of his knowledge of the game.

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Ask the same question of diehard Collingwood supporters and see what the response is.

One thing we're finding is that Carlton supporters are no more gifted when it comes to understanding footy than any other supporter group.

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For all we know Cordy could be the reason we lack zip at the start of games

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WTF?

I don't follow the pies an can easily describe the style of footy they play and what they stand for.

The pies style of footy is based around total team pressure all over the ground especially in the front half and do it better than anyone else. They get plenty of numbers around the ball which only adds to the pressure. They move the ball wide along the boundary line because its percentage play because if they turn it over you not as exposed and opened is wont be punished. They attack through the middle on the counter attack when the pressure they've applied causes a turnover.

They have depth through the midfield and use the rotations to there advantage pumping numbers through the middle.

They don't necessarily tag players but run plenty of numbers through opponents.

But most of all they bring a desire for the contest, the bring pressure, they play with an intensity and most of all they play for each other.

They are well coached. They have recruited smart capable footballers. They don't rely on individual efforts

Thats what they stand for.

Congratulations, you've just described every side in the AFL.

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K so you just wanna single that out that part then. Well done sir!!!

Footy is not just about game styles, its what club stand for and i can easily DESCRIBE what the Collingwood football club stand for along with game styles and structures put in place and adhered to with a willingness and a desire to compete, to be disciplined, to stick to structure, to work as a team united group for each.

what the flower do we stand for huh? answer that

Agree Jimmae, but just trying to illustrate that you cannot equate Swann/Cordy/Ratten as all being at the same level as Doc appears to do earlier!
Swann was considered second only to the best administrator in the game, Ratts was second competing only against Voss (another untried coach with less coaching experience than Ratten)! Currently, neither coach is covering themselves in glory! Not that Swann is faultless but that is another story!

Not likely, but even so Cordy would get another gig straight away if he left Carlton, would Ratts?

Yeah he would. Back coach from where he came coaching a team in the ringwood district league

That's a pretty big call...

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good call..... bad call..... ?

Bad call. He'd work as a key assistant and push his credentials once more.

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I didn't even bother with the rest because they either referred to list management, player confidence and fitness, and interchange rotations.

Every club wants to bring pride, passion and g&d to whatever game plan they take to the field, and the people in the coaches box and recruitment departments have their own way of doing things, typically built off the same fundamentals.

The only one I'll put a spotlight on is the rotating taggers of Collingwood. You did notice last season when we played Houlihan in a tagging role at times, yes? You noticed we're now doing it with Carrazzo? We're trying to instil a sense of defensive responsibility in what had previously shown itself to be an overwhelmingly attack-minded midfield. Once they get that (and they're physically strong enough in the odd case), then we can have multiple tagging options. In the mean time we have Joseph & Armfield to call on, at the expense of intelligent midfield play and a big body in the clinches.

Ratten & co. have clearly been attempting to address this issue with the recruitment of Tuohy, Armfield, Joseph, Robinson, Cachia, McLean, Hadley, Lucas, and in the coaching of of Russell, Walker, Carrazzo, Grigg, Houlihan & Browne. Clear as day.

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