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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:57 am 
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Captain Dan wrote:
When is the next AGM, Doc?


Probably about a week or so before Christmas. Date isn't set until probably mid-November. The financial statements published run up until October 31.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:00 am 
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The 19 tram wrote:
The board is ludicrously large and quality individuals who have been approached will not join it until it gets down to 8 people or under...

At the moment no-one is willing to give up their spot...


good to see they have the club at heart


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:27 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Josh Kaplan,
Three Points

1. The board is too large to make effective decisions
2. It has not got enough top line football people on it. (Walls, Mclure)
3. Have all those people on the board committed money, brought sponsorship or football
direction to the club? (I suspect not but it would be interesting to know)


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1. The board is made up of sub-committee's which make recommendations. The next President is already operating very different to current one, so there's some positive change occurring.

2. The club that sits atop the ladder presently has no top line football people on its board (you don't include Eddie McGuire under that do you?)....and Geelong has Gareth Andrews as their only football person on its board. It's about skill set, knowledge of current business practices that can maximize the clubs position and committing time to ensuring the planning is being done on time and properly.

3. This has been a criticism of mine in the past. There are a few who don't do enough in my eyes. It's all open and transparent though...highly recommend you attend the next AGM.



The club that sits on top of the ladder has Gary Pert, Ian Mcmullin as people who have played the game. Eddie Mcguire is a football person. Mcguire and Pert are top liners. They are 3 of a 7 man board. Carlton have gleeson and Kernahan on a 15 man board.

I have a major problem if coaching appointments are made by a subcomittee which doesnt have board representation. I stand by whoat I said. The board has to have a member on it who is qualified to have serious input into the coaching decision. I don't think we have a current member who is qualified to appoint a coach. Collingwood by comparison have Mcguire and Pert who are qualified. You can not have the board rubber stamping a sub commitees coaching decsion without direct involvement


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:42 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
The club that sits on top of the ladder has Gary Pert, Ian Mcmullin as people who have played the game. Eddie Mcguire is a football person. Mcguire and Pert are top liners. They are 3 of a 7 man board. Carlton have gleeson and Kernahan on a 15 man board.


Try 12 man board.

Who would you like to see appointed to the Board that could make such a decision. If you say Wallsy and Sellers, then why?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:00 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:46 pm 
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Why Walls?-

He has immersed himself in all aspects of football: playing, coaching and media and has been successful. PREMIESHIPS

- He has a passion for Carlton
- He has a proven record in selecting successful coaches. (Ross Lyon)
- He was at Carlton the day Barrassi walked in the door so he knows the level of dedication and hard headedness
required to rebuild a club but more importantly transfer a losing culture into a winning culture.


Why McClure?
My read on McClure is he has the potential to be a hard headed decision maker to make the tough calls. He could be the "Wes Lofts" of his time. I find his insights accurate. Again Passion for the Club applies here too.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:29 pm 
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Very good. Hire them now - have them sit in the box even. Have them scour the country for the best coach for Carlton during the week...and then present their findings and recommendations to the board in November. Bu they're on a hiding to nothing if they come back and say 'Ratten's your man'.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:43 pm 
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Rhys26 wrote:
The 19 tram wrote:
The board is ludicrously large and quality individuals who have been approached will not join it until it gets down to 8 people or under...

At the moment no-one is willing to give up their spot...


good to see they have the club at heart


Just like your ever effusive positive self.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:50 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Why Walls?-

He has immersed himself in all aspects of football: playing, coaching and media and has been successful. PREMIESHIPS

- He has a passion for Carlton
- He has a proven record in selecting successful coaches. (Ross Lyon)
- He was at Carlton the day Barrassi walked in the door so he knows the level of dedication and hard headedness
required to rebuild a club but more importantly transfer a losing culture into a winning culture.


Why McClure?
My read on McClure is he has the potential to be a hard headed decision maker to make the tough calls. He could be the "Wes Lofts" of his time. I find his insights accurate. Again Passion for the Club applies here too.



Does anyone else think it is ironic that you are happy to just appoint Walls and McLure without going through any selection process and yet you are filthy Ratten has allegedly been appointed in a similar fashion (even though the Dr has told everyone this was not the case)

Maybe it's just me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Cazz, when last was a selection panel appointed by a selection panel?
Someone has to make a decision on appointing a panel.
Hardly ironic


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:38 pm 
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I think it is about time people stopped being appointed to the board and started to get elected to the board. Pity so few members are enrolled to vote and actually vote.

While Dick Pratt's intervention helped save the club I always thought it was a pity he chose not to run but rather was put in as president without being elected. I know people have been seconded onto the board before, but now it seems to be the rule rather than the exception. Pratt's son in law may well be a Carlton man and a great board member, but why can't he stand and subject himself to a vote. No one should be above going through the selection process, board members included. And we don't want to be seen to be giving seats to the highest donor. Anyway that's a bit off point. If some intelligent ex Carlton players want to run, I'll vote for them. Especially if they challenge Sticks supremacy. Don't get me wrong, he has made a great and selfless contribution, but we need someone else on the board who can challenge him on footy decisions and who aren't part of the 87/95 flag clique.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:52 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
I think it is about time people stopped being appointed to the board and started to get elected to the board. Pity so few members are enrolled to vote and actually vote.

I strongly agree.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I seem to recall (anyone please correct me if I'm wrong) that at the last election the only option you had was to appoint two of three guys up for election.

If you didn't have confidence in more than one, or even any of them; then your only recourse was to not vote for any of them (which would just lead to reappointment of the incumbents).

IMHO the problem is more with the process than the voters.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:25 pm 
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any update on the board's prognostications....

I've heard they decided, for the sake of removing any hint of uncertainty, to extend rattens contract term for another decade !

only fair given all the flack he has copped the past couple of weeks !


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:31 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:05 am 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
I think it is about time people stopped being appointed to the board and started to get elected to the board. Pity so few members are enrolled to vote and actually vote.

I strongly agree.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I seem to recall (anyone please correct me if I'm wrong) that at the last election the only option you had was to appoint two of three guys up for election.

If you didn't have confidence in more than one, or even any of them; then your only recourse was to not vote for any of them (which would just lead to reappointment of the incumbents).

IMHO the problem is more with the process than the voters.


Spartels was the only (non-board member) nominee.

Why would anyone nominate for election when faced with public attacks and outrageous arrogance such as this from Mark Harrison right here on TC...!?

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...I don’t really know Michael Spartels well, having only spoken to him a few times over the last 3 years, but you said you are glad he ran even though he won’t make a difference. Well he has made a difference. He has cost the Club the best part of $50,000...

....We have discussed some of these types over the past couple of years and decided to not pursue them....



It's clearly a closed shop...
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The Constitution states the Board can invite people they believe to be suitably qualified....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:06 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Why Walls?-

He has immersed himself in all aspects of football: playing, coaching and media and has been successful. PREMIESHIPS

- He has a passion for Carlton
- He has a proven record in selecting successful coaches. (Ross Lyon)
- He was at Carlton the day Barrassi walked in the door so he knows the level of dedication and hard headedness
required to rebuild a club but more importantly transfer a losing culture into a winning culture.


Why McClure?
My read on McClure is he has the potential to be a hard headed decision maker to make the tough calls. He could be the "Wes Lofts" of his time. I find his insights accurate. Again Passion for the Club applies here too.



Does anyone else think it is ironic that you are happy to just appoint Walls and McLure without going through any selection process and yet you are filthy Ratten has allegedly been appointed in a similar fashion (even though the Dr has told everyone this was not the case)

Maybe it's just me.

Regards Cazzesman





Board members should be elected. I used the wrong turn of phrase. I just think these guys would really help the current crop. Their quality and experience would shine through


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:26 am 
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Interesting to hear Jim Stynes this week on Triple M talking about their debt demolition campaign.

http://www.debtdemolition.com.au/

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Two years ago we called upon every Melbourne supporter to help us raise $5 million, to eradicate a debt that was threatening our very existence. Our board vowed not to rest until that debt was gone.

Through your generosity, we have now reduced that debt to $767,000. Now, for one final time, we call on you to help us make the Melbourne Football Club debt free.


Fantastic job from the Melbourne Board and the people that have supported the campaign.

It'll be interesting to see where our debt levels are at the end of this year. We've focused on the football department and upgrades to Visy Park up to last year, hopefully they've been able to work on debt this year.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:54 am 
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Doesn't really matter any more Brad as it's entirely manageable. You know just as well as I do that depending on the cost of equity, debt can a better source of capital. I don't think we have any pressing concerns with the structure of our balance sheet aside from chasing superior investments.

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