Sheahan article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5893679749

It's okay though, we won the battle in the second half

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We are on our way back...

it would irresponsible to trade anyone on thé list until
there is changes made at thé coaching Level...

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"Truth, for the tyrants, is the most terrible and cruel of all bindings; it is like an incandescent iron falling across their chests. And it is even more agonizing than hot iron, for that only burns the flesh, while truth burns its way into the soul"     — Lauro Aguirre

The problem is a few weeks ago we were flying, looking top four.
Neil Craig had lost the players
Richmond needed AFL assistance and stats showed they were worse than Fitzroy
The Bombers were pacey and Hille and Ryder were "the best ruck duo in the comp"
Vossy was right to have another big tilt at the flag whilst Brownie, Black and Power were still playing.
I agree Ratten must improve but you can't sack a bloke on five Dome games middle of the season.
It would be both fiscal and football department incompetence.
We have lost form in our entire forward and back 50's and lost Kreuzer, Waite (largely) and our No 1 picks in Gibbs and Murph have been ordinary. Sure Ratts and his team have made some howlers but some of the players efforts and skills have dropped so much it can't be only his fault.
I think we look worse than we are, and it will improve: even this year. Whether Ratts is the best man for the job long term will depend on his improvement and who else is available when the decision is reviewed.
I would however take Malthouse now even if Dylan Buckley has second thoughts

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Green Shooter

I heard some of Ratt's presser this morning, something about you'd think we were bottom 4, interesting is his in denial about how were travelling? Lets look at our performances against the teams around us on the ladder, those battling it out for the bottom 4 spots:
- Swans - 39 point loss (round
- Bulldogs -68 point loss (round 14)
- North Melbourne - 29 points (round 12)
- Hawthorn - 50 Points (round 9)
- Adelaide - 48 points (round 4)

Long time since round 4 against the crows, and they are a different team now. On current form, we don't deserve to play finals, we are not competitive with teams of any worth.

I would've taken 8 and 8 at the start of the year

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Love tells me I am everything
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I would of too. We need to take a deep breath here. We are out of form, it happens. People fear it will last forever, it won't.

We are an erratic young side but we need to stay the course. As pathetic as yesterday was we do have a really young side. People will say that has been said for a while but we are 3 years into it basically and it will take a lot longer.

In the words of John worsfold 'suck it up princess'

is that what its called, a bad day... he doesn't get paid to have a bad day every week.

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31-3-2015 - R.I.P AFL, corrupted lying pricks
12-5-2015 - Go WADA
18-8-2015 - Suffer Hird* u lying flower
12-1-2016 - CAS goes bang, happy new year.. Drugcheats forever..

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-crisis-what-crisis/story-e6frf9jf-1225893696260



He has already conceded defeat and using this we have performed above everybody expectations blah blah blah. So if we don't win a game for the rest of the year, it will be "we have 8 wins, you guys said we would be bottom 4 with maybe 4 wins, so we exceeded everybodies expectations by 200% - put that down as a tick to me. I'm a super coach, I'm Brett Ratten.

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31-3-2015 - R.I.P AFL, corrupted lying pricks
12-5-2015 - Go WADA
18-8-2015 - Suffer Hird* u lying flower
12-1-2016 - CAS goes bang, happy new year.. Drugcheats forever..

I was really interested to see how Ratten would respond to our complete lack of intensity and endeavour, let alone forward structure since the Hawthorn pasting, but to come out and suggest we should be satisfied with our position and roll out the "young and inexperienced" spiel after another surrender shows he lacks the nous to be a real leader.

I don't think he's got the tools and, as many others have identified, hides behind stats.

A coach with gut feeling for what has been going on since Hawthorn in R9, would not be seen to be defending this crap.

next.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Last year after the Fremantle/Adelaide game, there were clear signs that game plan (no forward structure) & matchday coaching (no moves ) were deficient. The cracks were papered over by Judd and Fevola. I personally got sucked in by our early season form. This is not a five game losing streak. This has b een the culmination of 2 years of average coaching.. The reason you have to move on Ratten is not that he is the worst coach, more that his game style can not win us a premiership

What I do find annoying is Swann and Ratts coming out in the media saying things like "EVERYONE said we won't make the 8!! ... EVERYONE said we won't kick any goals!!".
Some people said that. A lot of people didn't say that, one of them me.
Very defensive comments.
What they're saying is a copout and a deliberate lowering of of expectations which IMO isn't warranted with the maturing talent on our list.

Wow, we are 8-8 which is better than most would have predicted, had some good wins and some appalling loss's. Two years ago we were celebrating getting priority picks and still in the worse period in the clubs history.

I hate losing as much as the next person and yes we are struggling at the moment, but given where we have come from I am reasonably comfortable as to where we are at.

Ever since Ratten took over we have had people calling for his sacking and after every loss the calls get louder. The point is this, at this point in time, who do we get to replace him? Can that person do better?

I think anybody who looks at the situation objectively will recognise we are at least two years from being a power club and understands that we are still in the growing phase of our premiership clock and while not liking what that means, understands that our form will continue to be inconsistant. If this is still occuring in 12 months then it will be a issue. But right now it is best to keep the bath water warm for the baby, rather than tip the whole lot out of the window.

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A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06

There's not been one iota of change in the way we have played in 6 weeks BM - that's a major concern to me. Stuff looking any further than that.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Thank the heavens we are playing bottom of the ladder next!

Right?

I probably would have taken 8 and 8 pre season as well. But you know what? I've seen us play 16 games now, which i hadn't at the time the ball was bounced in the Richmond game. I've changed my expectations based on what I've seen this playing group are capable of.

They've been capable of sustained pressure against Geelong, letting the best team of the past 4 years have ZERO space to move.

I've seen them run the best defensive team of last season, St Kilda, off their feet, and smash them on the scoreboard from the outset when the choke was on.

I've seen them pull out a seriously gutsy win against Port Adelaide in SA when they had got themselves to a position where they had very little right to win.

So I have seen what they are capable of in terms of Pressure, Backing themselves in, and showing incredible guts. These are the 3 things that have been lacking since the hawthorn game.

No pressure, no daring, no guts to dig deep and fight.

That is what gives me the shits more than anything. That is mental, that is faith in their coach's plan, that is self belief.

Players don't lose the ability to kick from week to week.

Without mental strength, faith in the plan, and self belief, we'll lose the remaining 6 games. If the players aren't 'lost' already, the coaching staff are coming from a long way back to try to resurrect the season, and their jobs.

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Congratulations CK95

Exactly. The Hawks game was the start of it. Now, perhaps you could write that game off to just a bad day - it followed 2 good wins including a tough one interstate on a short break. Players DID look tired that day and we sustained a few injuries during the match as well, and Hawthorn were pumped.

But it was repeated against North, against Freo, against the Dogs and against the Swans. After the North game alarm bells should have been ringing and a good coaching panel would have realised that perhaps our strategy wasn't working and it was time to look at other options with the game plan. This includes being smarter at the selection table as well, many senior players have been lucky to keep their spots IMO.
We also had the mid year break recently as well - did we do anything except a bout of paintball then?

8-8 is simply not acceptable from 7-4. Ratts is missing the point. 8-8 may be acceptable overall given the post-Fev era, but to go from 7-4 to 8-8 is really poor.

Every loss we have had this year we have been behind at qtr time.

The losses against Hawks, Norf, Dogs, & Swans were the worst as we were completely Gawn by qtr time.

Something is not right with this club

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Cheats never prosper (except in the AFL)

Let's see how happy all those spruiking the 8-8 crap are in a few weeks when we're wall and truly in the negative.

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"I had to eat"

His comment about the media and their top 8 is proof he's a fool. Anyone who says that has lost the plot and doesn't have answers. The side he and the other MC members selected last week could not win. So he either didn't care if we lost, or has doesn't have a clue about coaching.

We'd be bottom four if it wasn't for Judd.

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Dean Bailey on the Dees narrow loss in WA against the 4th team

Ratts on our 40 pt loss to a middling interstate side at home.


This is a joke. What message is he trying to send? That losing to sides below us, or middling interstate sides at home is okay? That going down without a whimper is fine?

Nice guy, seriously out of his depth. Is the tail wagging the dog again? Is the Melbourne side young and inexperienced? How come their coach doesn't constantly trot that line out? If Ratts reckons the last 6 weeks has been okay then we are going nowhere. We have had two genuinely great wins this year, a number of routine wins against duds playing badly. When the acid was out on us - Bulldogs, HAwks, Freeo, Swans, North we were too young and inexperienced and so no-one's too blame. The main place where inexperience is hurting us is in the box.