I meant on field not off field as we are going well off field...

This is not pollitcal.....just stating my views....

Well cazzeman dane and others let me tell you that the fish rots from the head again

Said it a while ago

Sticks has to go
Should step down asap and someone who fits the President mould takes over


Ratten should ago immediadtly
tomorrow why
A panel of good , perseptive footy people get put onto an interview panel and the job gets advertised.

In the meantime Montgomery assumes the role of caretaker coach. Can apply for the job if he wishes.

We have a thorough interview process not jobs for the flower boys approach and in around week 22 of the season the next coach of the Carlton footy club is appointed. Thats 5 weeks to get the best coach out there. Not throwing shitloads of money at Roos, Matthews,Choco. Thats the Pagan way. havent we flower learnt from that. Well partly no because we have guy who obviously is out of his depth.

This guy must have plenty of AFL experience as an assistant at a successful club(s) is reasonably young with fresh ideas game plans and above else will not and I mean not tolerate half arse efforts from flower any cauliflower. Squib it and where a flower ant

During the finals series he recruits his assitants and specialists so that by trade day which is in the first Tuesday in October
the Carlton Footy club has changed and the people who have held this former great club back for so long are gone.


Also appoint Simmo as captain.
leads by example. So does Judd but I reckon he prefers not to be captain. We would be better player without the captaincy.

Simmo might just have the right stuff to say to the squibs to @#$%&! off to Preston and learn about hardball gets and body contact.


Ratten must go now along with sticks.
So that we have time to set things up by Grand Final day.

Very well said Keogh........

I don't think anyone actually disagrees with sending Sticks' on his way, we just don't think that:

a) His role at the club impacts day-to-day operations

and/or

b) There are candidates of superior quality ready to put their hand up

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See this is what I don't get;

Why are we calling for Stick's head because the team is playing poorly?
He has done nothing wrong and if it weren't for him, Pratt wouldn't have become involved when he did!
Leave a Carlton legend alone and concentrate on the real issues players and coaches!
Yep Ratten is under pressure and we should be asking for answers but calling for his head tomorrow is just plain .... well unbelievable given where we are currently placed.

Lose to WestCoast, Collingwood, Essendon*, Richmond, Geelong & Fremantle ... and I'm listening but until then ... lets just see what transpires over the next 4-6 weeks, shall we.

You dont have to be a member of the inner sanctom to realise that kernahan is not president material.

he doesnt have the runs on the board in terms of business.

He was there when the bags of money were handed out and consequently set the club back years with draft picks taken away from us and fines were imposed.

he is Elliott's mate then Collo's mate whern Elliott and Collins were at loggerheads.

He is the president of the club.
he is the figurehead of the organisation.
he is a relic from carltons past a past that is not all good and a past that we still aspire too which is unhealthy.

Hard work will get us out of this mess. None of this old carlton way of sacking the coaches. Its 2010 ! nothing comes that easy.
Everyone get together and make sure they are all on the same page and then get to work righting the wrongs of the last month.
Time to show what you are made of at carlton. Clubs like the Hawks, Dogs, North, Tigers and even the swans have had tough runs this year and all have managed to turn it around for the better. Now its our turn. HARD WORK !!! not short cuts or attemted shortcuts.
Time to lift as unit and take the rest of this season on. From the fishes head to the bootstudder (who is back from suspension next week).

Go Blues !!

Keogh going by our list where exactly do you think we should be on the ladder at present?

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4th or 5th ball park figure

Thing is its how we have lost the games.
I walked out Sunday last week thinking it wasnt just a loss. That we had lost the plot period.

The coach has lost the players.
The players have lost faith in their own capabilities.
We dont punish soft efforts by sending guys back to the twos.

Things havent got better in a way since Pagan was replaced.
Our list has more talent but it isnt being develop nearly well enough.

As I said if you replace the coach in 2011 you need to sack him now so the correct processes take place so we are ready to go again late September.

rattens heart is in the right place
To me he isnt the man for the job and time has caught up with him.

December last year I believe....

I agree. Ratts has set the bar at winning a finals match...so let's wait and see how he goes....I'm sure he will walk away if he doesn't achieve the results he has set himself..

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I wonder what Peter Dean thinks about all this ?

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Josh K is a good poster who is normally on the money and seems to have close links with the insiers at the club, so I am bouyed by his view. (Any relation to the family that has Kaplan House opposite the ground Josh?)

However IB has made some valid points :


I thnk we badly need to get away from Stick's team mates and I wonder if anyone on the board could step up to the presidency. I don't think Ratts will be sacked. The contract extension from 2 years to 4 was stupid, ill timed and unwarranted and the option for next year need not be exercised till next year. Let's face it, no other club is trying to poach him. If he is coach in 2012 as he should be then he has to have his own team. Bringing people in he doesn't choose makes his job untenable. I don't think he should have been made coach in the first place. Way to little experience but having made the decisions and then compounded it by unwarranted extensions we have painted ourselves into a corner, and Josh if the committee has your confidence what do you think of the appointment process and the extension of Ratts contract. Surely committee responsibilities and bad decisions

I am sure he will say "we failed to achieve our goal. we are disappointed but will work hard to improve in the areas we failied in". I am sure he is not a quiter.

Josh Kaplan,
Three Points

1. The board is too large to make effective decisions
2. It has not got enough top line football people on it. (Walls, Mclure)
3. Have all those people on the board committed money, brought sponsorship or football
direction to the club? (I suspect not but it would be interesting to know)

Ratts should be given until seasons end but I do think it's time now for contingency plans to be prepared for the FD in case things aren't turned around as there clearly are concerning signs which shouldn't be ignored.
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Something needs to be done, over the past decade we seem to have come to accept mediocrity.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

The board is ludicrously large and quality individuals who have been approached will not join it until it gets down to 8 people or under...

At the moment no-one is willing to give up their spot...

Re:
1. The board is made up of sub-committee's which make recommendations. The next President is already operating very different to current one, so there's some positive change occurring.

2. The club that sits atop the ladder presently has no top line football people on its board (you don't include Eddie McGuire under that do you?)....and Geelong has Gareth Andrews as their only football person on its board. It's about skill set, knowledge of current business practices that can maximize the clubs position and committing time to ensuring the planning is being done on time and properly.

3. This has been a criticism of mine in the past. There are a few who don't do enough in my eyes. It's all open and transparent though...highly recommend you attend the next AGM.

When is the next AGM, Doc?

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