STOP DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE ! (sakc ratten MKII)

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

camelboy wrote:

Don't hold your breath...

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

Quote:

"From half way, we won the battle. Still, we had to work extremely hard to score our goals and they scored soft goals but I thought from half time we were right in the game."

Peter Sherry · **Joined:** Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:20 pm **Posts:** 110

It really makes no difference how good Ratten's skills were as a player the issue now is that we don't appear to have players who would fight to the death to avoid a loss or a MC who can either get the best out of them or come up with a system or style of play which gives us the best chance of winning.

camel · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:22 pm

Dr.SHERRIN wrote:

Rexy wrote:

thegezman wrote:

i want leigh matthews

He's no good with gen-Yers

I don't think anyone is. Waste of a generation.

Actually Gen Yers probably don't need a coach. They already know everything and have never heard the word "no".

mymanmurph · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:30 pm

After watching the last few games live Joseph is struggling as a defender. I think he needs to play in the guts and niggle pester players otherwise he seems off the pace.I hate too say this but Murphy apart from a spoil I didn't see much at all almost reminded me of n.Stevens seems lazy... For the love of god play Gibbs forward of the center !!!!!

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

No shit we were in the game. Sydney couldn't stop laughing at us.

Beantown · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:35 pm

My biggest issue is there seems to be a lack of genuine dare in the coaches box when things don't go our way. The game was shot at halftime why not try something simple like throw Yazz in at HB ? Instead we start with the usual suspects down there who were just not on today. While I watched those guys continue to fumble the footy and kick sideways, Yazz was getting cold up forward. His run and carry when he had the footy today was electric. He's probably our most skilled, cleanest and arguably fastest player. Put him down at HB, tell him to hit the afterburners then our lazy midfielders and flankers will be forced to spread as they were not doing this well all day.

camel · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:38 pm

Peter Sherry wrote:

It really makes no difference how good Ratten's skills were as a player the issue now is that we don't appear to have players who would fight to the death to avoid a loss or a MC who can either get the best out of them or come up with a system or style of play which gives us the best chance of winning.

Agreed. This has been a reasonably consistent pattern over the last few weeks and there doesn't appear to be any signs of it being addressed.

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

NB: He never takes any responsibility himself

Tractor Boy · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:43 pm

Maybe we're tanking? :yikes:

MPH78 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:47 pm

camelboy wrote:

Don't hold your breath...

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

Quote:

"From half way, we won the battle. Still, we had to work extremely hard to score our goals and they scored soft goals but I thought from half time we were right in the game."

Oh dear

missnaut · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:54 pm

camelboy wrote:

Peter Sherry wrote:

It really makes no difference how good Ratten's skills were as a player the issue now is that we don't appear to have players who would fight to the death to avoid a loss or a MC who can either get the best out of them or come up with a system or style of play which gives us the best chance of winning.

Agreed. This has been a reasonably consistent pattern over the last few weeks and there doesn't appear to be any signs of it being addressed.

Yeah and it ends up in a vicious cycle...game plan a doesn't work, players get down, MC can't get the best out of them, game plan b doesn't work, players get down, mC can't get the best out of them...

livolover · **Joined:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:39 am **Posts:** 209

I know our coach loves his numbers....so here are a few more stats for rats to ponder...

vs freo 55 - 42 inside 50's...lost by 9 points
vs bulldogs 53 - 55 inside 50's...lost by 68 points
vs swans 52 - 45 inside 50's...losy by 39 points

over the course of these games, the opposition has kicked 50 goals from 142 inside 50 entries, we have kicked 30 from 160 inside 50 entries...

we are winning the footy...and having a dip...but just have no IDEA what to do with it !!!!!!

just as a reference the other winning sides this week had the following inside 50's (Adel 50, Coll 43, WC 59, Bull 53, NM 49, Freo 54)....

bluedog · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:07 pm

Always thought it would be interesting for journos to ask, "How do you think you could have coached more effectively today?"

:?:

Mrs Caz · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:45 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

Mrs Caz wrote:

But if it is indefensible, then you can't defend it....ergo, if people are defending it, it must be defensible.

Stop calling me Ergo.....

Sorry, I know that is reserved for "our time".....

:razz:

aido · **Joined:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:02 pm **Posts:** 184

mymanmurph wrote:

I hate too say this but Murphy apart from a spoil I didn't see much at all almost reminded me of n.Stevens seems lazy... For the love of god play Gibbs forward of the center !!!!!

What do you expect from Marc Murphy when Ratten and his two mates (diesel and bradley) think Murph is an outside player and give him a licence to hang out side the packs rather than hunt the ball himself...... dur!!!!

Stupid people ruining this team and club.

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

I did not even get angry this time - just given the season away. I have been sitting through all these dark years because the club needed our support and there were good reasons for all the losses. I was so looking forward to the talent coming in, Murphy = Messiah, Judd, Gibbs, Kruuz... etc. I have been telling my son, not long my boy, not long..... I feel betrayed - yes that is the feeling - betrayed.

If there is no decent review at seasons end I assume there will be an interesting AGM.

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:01 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

Mrs Caz wrote:

But if it is indefensible, then you can't defend it....ergo, if people are defending it, it must be defensible.

Stop calling me Ergo.....

Anyone done an ergo today?

fraser murphy · **Joined:** Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:04 pm **Posts:** 1685

camelboy wrote:

Dr.SHERRIN wrote:

Rexy wrote:

He's no good with gen-Yers

I don't think anyone is. Waste of a generation.

Actually Gen Yers probably don't need a coach. They already know everything and have never heard the word "no".

Logic.

Remember logic, people.

Where did we learn this behaviour?

Captain Dan · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:12 pm

Dr.SHERRIN wrote:

Rexy wrote:

thegezman wrote:

i want leigh matthews

He's no good with gen-Yers

I don't think anyone is. Waste of a generation.

Only gotta blame the people that raised Gen Y for that :lol:

lily of laguna · **Joined:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:37 pm **Posts:** 417

aido wrote:

mymanmurph wrote:

I hate too say this but Murphy apart from a spoil I didn't see much at all almost reminded me of n.Stevens seems lazy... For the love of god play Gibbs forward of the center !!!!!

What do you expect from Marc Murphy when Ratten and his two mates (diesel and bradley) think Murph is an outside player and give him a licence to hang out side the packs rather than hunt the ball himself...... dur!!!!

Stupid people ruining this team and club.

This is just plain wrong!!! By all means vent your frustration but dont make up utter rubbish and pass it off as inside knowledge, you just look like a tool!!!

I too am disappointed Murph doesnt put his head over the ball as often as he should, but to say it is a directive of the coach/coaches is laughable!!

DUR!!!

STOP DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE ! (sakc ratten MKII)

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