R16: Carlton V Sydney: Official Post Match Rant thread.

Mrs Caz · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:43 pm

Why not? It was particularly evident today.

camel · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:46 pm

MIL wrote:

They made a big point of this on 774. And they were spot on. Teams like Sydney are so much more professional than Carlton in so many areas, and leadership amongst the playing group is one such area.

Yep. We're too soft, physically and mentally against teams with genuine hardness.

Good posts from Frank & Tommy as well.

My belief is we lack the leadership for the simple fact the players don't want success bad enough. And Ratten doesn't seem able to motivate them consistently enough.

gbatman · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:46 pm

blue4 wrote:

Players have lost total confidence in their ability.

So they will naturally look ordinary.

So the players are mentally weak and lack any sort of resilliance and aggression. I didn't realise they were that gutless.

club29 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:47 pm

Bookie wrote:

But we all went to the "leading teams" powerpoint show :what more do you want!!!

Your club's money (well probably more likely Pratty's family's) at work.

That sounds a bit bitter Bookie. The club identified a leadership issue and did something they thought would help. There are minimal results so far but it is a long course and takes time to work through and sink in. The work is being done with young players coming through so in the long term we will be a better club.

I am not sure why some posters critisise this. Perhaps folk are just a bit disappointed after a loss.

blue4 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:04 pm **Posts:** 976

Ahhh man -- its not the players.... the Swans fiielded a talentless group [ on par with a top 8 team].

Collingwood only have a matchwinner or two.. confidence breeds many great thing and we dont have it!,,, Magpies are playing confidently as a cohesive unit instilled by the coach[s].

Our coach has had three years... he has done OK but will not take this group the next level - ... the coaching group has lost the players to the point of no return and the situation is deteriorating fast its actually spiralling out of control.

depends what the board want to do... take action now and bring in new faces in the coaching dpt or let it roll at the risk of totally demoralising this playing group.... we are basically risking carrying 10 Livingston'es next year - thats how delicate I see it being.

1derful · **Joined:** Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:30 am **Posts:** 78

Sorry Ratts - loved you as a player but can't cop you as a coach. Once again you had your pants pulled down by the opposition.

Roos assigns R Shaw on Walker to pull him away from half back and hence we lose his drive. Exposes Walker's lack of defensive skills by dragging him to the goalsquare and then proceeds to kick 3 goals.
In the meanwhile we allow Grundy,Malceski, Kennelly do what they like out of our forward 50. Joseph obviously his struggling as a defender, how about throwing him on Malceski or Kennelly and making them accountable or at least parking them in the back pocket.

Gibbs & Murphy have lived on potential for too long. Both should be having impact on games. When Judd is contained like he was early neither were able to pick up the slack.

Our inside work was horrific. What about a horses for courses selection policy. The Swans is one side you would seriously consider playing Hadley instead of some of the pacier sides he was selected to play.

How many times does a young kid like Ellard have to best in the vfl best players to earn a game. If he isn't on the plane to Perth then he would be feeling fairly aggrieved.

Not sure what the philosophy behind the non selection of Fisher was and the selection of Henderson. One gets picked despite a fairly heavy knock to the knee and hardly touches it, the other gets a knock on the leg but still plays in vfl and boots 4?

womack · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:29 am **Posts:** 2209

sorry just back from the game half pissed absolutely gutted... why didn't we stick a big bloke up forward and just bomb it in after we our lack of skills around the half forward line were exposed in the first quarter.... why do we ball watch in the back half - why is Jamison always a metre behind his opponent - how does Henderson get a game - why do supporters bag Gibbs / Murphy when there is absolutely nothing and I mean nothing to kick to. this is irrelevent but Fevola at FF today and we win.

MPH78 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:13 pm

Dr.SHERRIN wrote:

I agree with Ratts. Our defense is actually just as pressing an issue (if not more) than our forward line trouble. What the mids and defenders are not doing is very worrying. It's unaccountable, dumb football and going completely against what they implemented in their wins over Geelong, St.Kilda and Adelaide.

Don't disagree with you Doc. This means though that we can't defend AND we can't score. Going real well the Blues.

blue4 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:04 pm **Posts:** 976

The game plan that has been worked on for three years has failed - players dont trust the coach.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

Agree with Frank......Judd looks spent like has had enough, the bloke cant do much more....was it 18 contested possies today?.......his teammates just let him down every week.
The coach even has him playing FF...he will be in the ruck next.....compare the leadership at some of the others clubs...a nobody player like Harry Obrien has stepped up to help steer the Pies along with Maxwell but our players argue with their teammates and offer little support. Time for some our experienced players to step up t the plate and rally the troops and not leave it all to Judd.....Judd looks like 29-30 year old player sometimes he is that worn out.

verbs · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:20 pm

blue4 wrote:

The game plan that has been worked on for three years has failed - players dont trust the coach.

In the first 10 weeks we were doing fine with the game plan. We were exciting and the talk of the town.

blue4 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:04 pm **Posts:** 976

The pre season was very average and the game since the Bombers has been nothing short of appauling with an abberation here and there.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Agree with Frank......Judd looks spent like has had enough, the bloke cant do much more....was it 18 contested possies today?.......his teammates just let him down every week.
The coach even has him playing FF...he will be in the ruck next.....compare the leadership at some of the others clubs...a nobody player like Harry Obrien has stepped up to help steer the Pies along with Maxwell but our players argue with their teammates and offer little support. Time for some our experienced players to step up t the plate and rally the troops and not leave it all to Judd.....Judd looks like 29-30 year old player sometimes he is that worn out.

They've had years to do that, obviously aren't mentally capable.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

Sydney Blue wrote:

Problem still goes back to the Fev centric forward line - and no hard at it inside mids - Surely Hadley can get a game ahead of this soft rubbish

We would have been better off if Santy and his littles Helpers had never worked - It would have meant we would have looked at the forward structure sooner - The midfielders delivery is terrible because no one is presenting to the right places they look forward and there is nothing so they prop hesitate and bang they are straight under pressure - the rest of the midfield is running forward to lend support and before they know it they are chasing butt. And as much as you love Yarren - Garlett - Betts when they are on -at the moment it is like having 3 Neon Leons up there - One is bad enough - 3 is asking for trouble they are to hot and cold and their good is brilliant their bad is terrible .

Time to bring back Brocky or Ellard and Hads - Shift one of the amigos to the bullants - and get Murph out of the middle and up forward where he is most dangerous - and some where find a smart forward until Hendo gets a couple of years older

Some merit in starting Murphy up forward and changing things up and running amore traditional forwward line....Santy and hsi three helpers is a good plan B bit not a plan A.

Hadley vs the Swans would have been a good in......the Swans are average IMHo but we all know they attack the footy and do well in pack contests with Bolton, Kirk, Jack, McGlynn etc....if there was one game you would play Hadley it would be vs the Swans....

Mark J · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:46 pm

SHHH! wrote:

Currently the Carlton FC website has an article "Blues starting to regain confidence"
this is followed up by.....CARLTON coach Brett Ratten says the lack of confidence that has plagued his side for the past month may finally be over, despite a 39-point loss to the Sydney Swans at Etihad Stadium.

THIS IS THE ISSUE.
He thinks today was acceptable!!!!!

Just read that article...WOW :screwy:

i AM COMPLETELY GOBSMACKED :donk:

Has Ratts completely lost the plot?
Does he think we are all fools?

Most ridiculous post match comment i've ever heard from a coach. :banghead:

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10593

If ever there was a game lost in the 1st quarter, this was it.
Try as we did ... we could not peg it back.
Positive is that we won the 2nd half.

The next four weeks (WCoast, Collingwood, Essendon* & Richmond) will now show us what these boys are made off. 3 games are winnable and if I where Ratten, I would be putting the ball back into the players court!

How much do you want to play finals in 2010?
How many of you want to be a part of Carlton beyond this year?
Time to stand and deliver gentleman. No other time left. Line in the sand!
Are you in or out?

missnaut · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:59 pm

Why can't someone play us into form for once :mad:

camel · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:07 pm

doofdoof wrote:

:banghead:

thats all i can contribute

Not good enough. You're five short of the 22. :thumbsup:

Loyal Carltonian · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:13 pm

SurreyBlue wrote:

If ever there was a game lost in the 1st quarter, this was it.
Try as we did ... we could not peg it back.
Positive is that we won the 2nd half.

The next four weeks (WCoast, Collingwood, Essendon* & Richmond) will now show us what these boys are made off. 3 games are winnable and if I where Ratten, I would be putting the ball back into the players court!

How much do you want to play finals in 2010?
How many of you want to be a part of Carlton beyond this year?
Time to stand and deliver gentleman. No other time left. Line in the sand!
Are you in or out?

Great post SurreyBlue. Our destiny is still in our own hands. Let's see what happens in the next six weeks. We have to win 3 of the next 4. Despite the garbage dished up in the last 5 weeks I still think that we are much better than that.

dadadadada · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:24 pm **Posts:** 1354

club29 wrote:

The players in the age group where they should be leaders are all flakey. Their good is good but they dont produce it enough. Most cant even manage a whole game of good form. That is our problem. You look at the players at teh top teams who were drafted between 2000 and 2004 and they are good reliable players. Unfortunately for us only Judd is reliable at carlton. Scotland and Simpson almost reliable and the rest flakey.

Spot on. WE don't have any players in that 28-32 age group that are "revered" players. Players that everyone looks up to and follows in line with. This is what makes up leadership ... it isn't titles they carry but the way they carry themselves out in both football terms and off field. We lack mature men.

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