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 Post subject: Re: Season Over
PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:12 pm 
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Hmmmmmm

Bit 'over-dramatic'. But sadly, not far from the truth.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:13 pm 
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next week, there is one task, for every single carlton player that plays the game. if they do not achieve it, they do not play the following week.

3 tackles

each player must apply at least 3 tackles

if they do not, they are dropped. no exception. i dont care if its judd, murphy, gibbs, walker, carazzo. anyone. the last month has been hideous to witness, and we have to forget everything, and strip it all back to basics.

we get 3 tackles from everyone next week, then the following week, we will look at introducing another objective for the players to achieve, as they seem simply incapable of completing the simpiliest of things at the moment.

strip it right back to the simplies of things, if we have players unable to even do that, then they do not play the following week. Until we get a side that is prepared to run, prepared to chase, prepared to back themselves and prepared to do the work for their team mates, we are simply going to go nowhere. You could have Sheedy, Malthouse, Parkin, etc.. in the couches box, but none of them can make the players work hard on the pitch, so strip it back ti simple tasks.

3 tackles. if you are unable to apply 3 tackles, you do not play the following week. no exceptions.

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 Post subject: Re: Season Over
PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:15 pm 
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went to todays game
another heartless effort
even if we scrape into finals we will be dismantles and embarrassed by our opposition :(

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 Post subject: Re: The WEBSITE
PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:17 pm 
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Blue Revival wrote:

out: Ratten, Lappin, Riley
in: Larry, Curly and Moe


We approached Larry Bird...but he opted to stay President of Basketball Operations for the Indiana Pacers, Curly Austin decided to stay AFL Football Administration Manager and Moe Szyslak decided he was too busy as Owner/Manager of Moe's Tavern despite Carlton's offer to place 200 pokie machines in the venue.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:18 pm 
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It is quite easy to apply three tackles within 60 seconds.

Mmmm, 99 minutes to bludge. *snooze*


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:20 pm 
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On current form, check this out and weep...

http://www.afl.com.au/bailey%20ladder%2 ... fault.aspx

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:20 pm 
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We need to provide Ratts with a new list to work with...these players are clearly not up to it....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:21 pm 
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I hope we don't make the finals. Would just been seen as a success, vindication for Ratten, and would paper over massive cracks in our list and coaching panel.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:21 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Well that was fun. Felt like leaving at qtr time.

Read a few of the posts and a lot of people seem to be singling out individual players, umpires etc.

Not the issue! This has been growing for a while. We have the talent and we have the list to do better than we are doing. This is about the coach getting the message across to the players and the players trusting the coach. Not happening.

The first 5 minutes we were up and about but we couldn't crack the opposition defence. Last week we went long, this week we tried to go short. Our players are confused and lack trust. It is evaporating week by week.
Whether Ratten is a good coach is debatable BUT if he is not getting the message across he needs to go. Believe me when I say there are a number of unhappy players down at Visy Park and the list is growing.

A few glaring issues.

Tight contests are blowing out, when we lose we lose big.
Our talented kids are not progressing.
The set up changes every week.
Other sides have worked out our very simple game plan and are now exploiting it.
Too many excuses.
We lose to sides that have nowhere near the talent we have.

Ratten will last until the end of the year. Sticks hasn't the guts to do anything else to his 'mate'.

There needs to be a major review of the whole football department at the end of the year.

Apart from Ratten the entire coaching staff need to be questioned because we are going backwards. Bad loses to the Bulldogs, North, Swans and Freo mixed with an ordinary win against a very poor Brisbane.

Steven Ickes position needs to be reviewed. He was responsible for a poor Freo list and since coming to Carlton he has brought in Johnson and McLean!

It is important that this happens sooner rather later. With GC17 and GWS coming in we will not have the benefit of adding much to our list and we need to get the best out of what we have.

After a decade of crap, efforts like the last month cannot be tolerated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Well said Psytch that is it in a nutshell. Terrible game plan which changes every week bec this bozo of a coach has no firm blueprint of his own

Game was over after we failed 5 times straight to bring it in fwd bec we chipped and chipped bec the only long target was a midget from Tasy - fortunately he is from Tasy so he was able to handle the frost bite from players not kicking to him

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 Post subject: Re: Season Over
PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:22 pm 
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i think the kangas will make it, we just dont look like we are up to it at the moment and the last 5 weeks have been so hard to watch from playing for a top 4 spot to us trying to stay in the 8, still cant believe it.
Also we have 3 very hard games against 3 of the top 4 in the remaining rounds, no chance


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:23 pm 
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I know one of the biggest problems is our players smarts, positioning and our game plan but what also is our biggest problems is our "soft" midfield. Our midfield is not that good, well not at the moment, it's full of outside players who are not willing to put their bodies on the line, who are not physical and rough enough, who don't bump and hurt the man and take players out of the contest with hard physical football. Sometimes we do turn up and play hard and tough footy and that's often when we win against decent teams.

Judd - tough hard nut who hits the ball hard and the man hard but unfortunatly can't kick. He keeps us in it really, he's the only player we have that is willing to put his body on the line, attack the contested ball 100%, put his head over it and lay good solid body contact. That is why he is our stand out player.

Murphy - lacks intensity, doesn't put his body in, doesn't bump hard and doesn't compete well enough in one on ones. Classy player but is only interested in contests when the intensity is off and when in the open. Needs to attack the ball harder and take more oppertunities to lay heavy body contact.

Gibbs - A really dissapointing player. Gets a lot of the ball and generally uses it well but is bloody soft. He doesn't put his body on the line, never lays decent bumps with intention to take players out of the play. Pulls out of physical contests, doesn't put his head over the ball and doesn't attack the contested ball with enough physicality.

Mclean - The idea was there when drafting him but he looks like a slow wreck at this stage. Body looks stuffed. Useful when playing but is never playing.

Hadley - sort of player we need but is no where near up to it.

Carrazzo - good at getting lose and getting cheap posessions but is as soft as they come. Never lays any body on and doesn't attack the contested ball that 100%. His impact on games is next to nothing.

Simpson - has a real go. Is not very big but really puts his body on the line but is not built strongly enough to really physically impact. The guy attacks the ball and uses his body to the best of his ability.

Joseph - not sure he's all that good at winning the ball in the thick of things, looks to have lost intensity at the contest but is miles from our worst.

Scotland - Intensity is ok, he's an ok outside player but always gets in to close to the contest and always gets the ball under pressure. For an older player should be better at positioning himself around stoppages. Once again a player who refuses to lay any body on.

Grigg - Just an average player. Doesn't lay any body like most of our players, doesn't have great intensity. Not a natural inside player and not a great outside player. Is just a quicker version of Hadley but is not as good as extracting the ball.

We desperatly need some hard grunt players in the center who are big, strong and have a physical mentality. Players who naturally take every oppertunity to hit bodies and hard. Players who play with with good intensity. Players like Mitchell, Sewell, Goddard, Hayes, Swan, Corey, Selwood, Hodge, Cooney and Boyd. Players who when they attack the ball they attack it at 100%, who take every opportunity to hit opposition hard and take them out, players who put their heads over the ball and commit to it 100%. Not our hord of skillful but soft players.

Our game plan, position, decision making and smarts might be terrible but our attack on the ball and the man are a disgrace. We are all bark and no bite, come out saying we'll improve but as far as I can see a leopard doesn't change its spots. Sure we have seen these guys go hard at times but never do it with consistancy.

I know what every one is going to say, we are young, blah blah blah... That's crap, I've been watching Richmond and North Melbourne play and their young players really go in hard and have a real dip.

What to do? That's the problem. You can't drop all our midfield bar Judd. But you can change a few of the bad culprits. Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazzo, Scotland and Grigg are the main offenders. These guys are as soft as butter and haven't deserved to be playing on the ball. They are our core players but haven't been playing like it. These "core" players are a big part of our problem. We have too many players on the ball who are not physical and do not play contested football well and that is the most important thing when playing on the ball.

Perhaps it is Gibbs who needs a spell in the reserves to work on his deficiencies and learn to play contested footy. I'm sick of watching him shirk body contact. He might get a lot of the ball but his impact on the game and contribution to the team are not great.
Ellard needs to be played, we are desperate for a decent inside player who goes hard and and plays tough footy. Johnson needs to come in for Carrazzo. Johnson's attack on the footy when he played last was fantastic. I think that Davies and Touhy need to come in too. They might be young and raw but maybe that is the spark we need. The top sides have a lot of hard and tough midfielders in their side and on ball group. We don't, we have 1 maybe 2 if Mclean is worth a game. Perhaps if our passengers in the center want to play like periferal players then perhaps they should be playing on wings and flanks. Maybe Johnson, Ellard and Tuohy need to be put through the center. They definately need to come into the team, you don't win flags with soft unphysical players.

Carlton need to draw the line and give passengers like Gibbs, Murphy, Carrazzo and Scotland a real shake up. They are ment to be our core midfielders but they are not playing like it. They are not getting the most out of themselves, they are letting the side down and there are no excuses for it. They need football is not all about getting posessions but wearing the opposition down and working as a unit to win games. If they are going to play second rate football they can do it in the ants. Sure it might cost us a win and position in the 8 but the line must be drawn because we will not last one game in the 8 playing like this let alone make it.

Ratts and Co. have a lot of work getting our game plan right and educating our players but it's going to be a real test in getting this problem right.

Every time we go shit we bring out the axe and cut all the "periferal players", wont suprise me if Henderson, Robinson or Armfield are dropped when it's not them who is to blame it's our core players. Thornton will probably be back...

The MC must bring out the axe and cut players like Gibbs, Murphy, Scotland and Carrazzo for some youth and have the balls to play these kids in key positions (on the ball). We will find out this Thursday if our MC are a bunch of gutless wonders or not.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:23 pm 
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spot on nbh!

would just give our feeble board another excuse not to act !!!!

actually, I seem to remember a side (in black and red) who snuck into the finals by default in 2009, got smashed....but kept their coach...and look at them now !!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:24 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
I actually thought our intensity was a tiny bit better this week...but our skills were terrible. The amount of times we kicked or handballed straight to a Swans player when not under pressure was simply unnacceptable. We are all aware of the deficencies in our game plan but the amount simple disposals we stuff up is a worry.

I am worried for the future of our club. The players seem ridiculously low on confidence and unhappy. I can easily see things snowballing out of control with the combination of unhappy players and poor coaching and recruiting.


Yep how poor were some of Murphy's kicks? I know he ended up with about 70% efficiency but fair dinkum he had some howlers - simply not good enough from a player of his standing and ability

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:24 pm 
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YES!

I think we can.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:24 pm 
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The way I read it - one more loss and our percentage will kill us...

All over red rover :mad: :oops: :mad:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:25 pm 
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if you honestly believe the issue lies with players like gibbs, murphy etc....you are dreaming!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Season Over
PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:25 pm 
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...and skills.

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 Post subject: Re: Season Over
PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:26 pm 
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Should we start looking to next season Juddment Day?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:26 pm 
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They made a big point of this on 774. And they were spot on. Teams like Sydney are so much more professional than Carlton in so many areas, and leadership amongst the playing group is one such area.


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 Post subject: Re: Season Over
PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:27 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Should we start looking to next season Juddment Day?


A few forfeits on the cards?


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