Not explicitly said, I do not have a specific post where you said that, just your general responses to anyone talking negatively about the club. Obviously alot of people go over the top, but I think you react the same to any such post.

Hense your comment in this thread 'that we may as well just give up', a fairly simple comment to a post I feel was well thought out and hardly inflamatory knee jerk stuff.

Verbs, what are your own views? You seem to be very good at criticising others views without putting what you think on the table.

I'm not really one to "criticize" other's views. Sometimes I might say "what a load of shit" or something similar to what someone has said, but it's hardly worth yourself, or anyone else for that matter, concerning themselves about what I think.

My view is I don't spend a lot of time worrying about how long it's been since we've won a premiership or how many we've won since a particular arbitrary date. Personally I'd like to win it this year, next year and the year after. Four in a row might be a bit greedy but I'd take it if offered.

Also, I want at least 12 more premierships in my lifetime.

It would be good to have a Brownlow Medalist and a Norm Smith Medalist in the one year, and a day and night premiership double would be good also.

Someone to kick 100 goals a season for four or five seasons in a row, and for that player to crack the 150 barrier, and 1,000 career goals.

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Classic !

I liked both Chynas and Capt Dans posts. I reckon combine the two and I think you have a very accurate version of the period mentioned. I have always thought we should have won at least one if not two Premierships in the timeframe mentioned.

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L.M 35-06

Was more just curious because you do post here a lot so are clearly passionate, but I want to see the serious side of Verbs

I feel if your goals are not met, we should nuke Visy.

I grew up in the pre 1968 era. An era when we were in a position not unlike where we are today. Melbourne was the benchmark for ALL clubs to aspire to. They were simply awesome. How times change. Throughout my childhood the Blues had one 8 flags. I hadn't seen any !
Now as a non kid, I've seen 8.

Maybe that's why I'm not overly paranoid about where we are as a team today. I've seen it all before. It will turn around. Genuine bluebaggers will be patient and ultimately be rewarded.

Nothing wrong with being passionate about the CFC, we just need to balance that passion with patience and understanding.

Who knows there maybe a modern day George Harris not too far way.

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MC. But things don't just happen, you have to make them happen. Carlton of yesteryear was a "can do" organisation.

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Agreed Stub, Hopefully the ''can do'' wheels are greased and spinning behind the scenes as we speak.

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I have confidence in Swannie. My concern is I don't see that unqualified passion among the playing group for the navy blue jumper. I think this is a coaching issue. I watched the Crows-Geelong game last night and I was really impressed with the way the young crows players committed themselves to getting to the ball first and the bonding they have with Neil Craig. They present themselves as a unit rather than a group of individuals.

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Oversimplification or not, it does not make the issue redundant.

Insular and reactive thinking does not help as we tend to dwell on how we lose instead of trying to pre-empt how the competition will develop and be at the forefront of it.

Last one to say Boys Club is a mug.

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Ahhh.. Chatfield.. Damn!! What an out and out insult your first sentence is. ..
Would hate to be associated with anything that particular person has to say on footy. Mind you, he should probably stick to 'football'.

Thankfully that is the only problem I have with your comment. Thanks for that. And you are completely right in your summation of my posts.

Cheers mate.

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Personally I couldn't give a toss about Brownlows, Norm Smiths or Coleman Medallists. And funnily enough, Carlton has been most successful in my lifetime when we have had a TEAM rather than a bunch of individuals.

Not to point out anyting specific you have said verbs because I honestly haven't read much but in a general point, I would say that my original postings were not bagging the club or being negative. Simply an observation. Am I wrong?

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I think you're taking Verbs way too seriously...

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You're barking up the wrong tree Chyna...

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I think the lack of passion directly corralates with the "professionalisim" of the game.

We now have a draft where a kid could go anywhere, so the dream of a youngster playing for the club that he loves (Except Father Son) is dead, strike one for the passion of the jumper.

We now have these kids that are well paid full time professional employees of the club, the words players and clubs are just about redundant and could almost be replaced with Employer and Employee, strike two for the passion of the Jumper.

We also have a situation where due to financial pressures that are placed upon clubs that has led to the demise of the under 19 and the reserves, which dilutes the history and club feel around a club, couple that with the cold hard fact that there is no loyalty in footy any more, a club is just likely to get rid of a player on the trade table and the player has no knoweledge of the event untill it happens, "everyone is tradeable" strike
three for the passion of the Jumper.
Football is no longer the game I grew up with, it now has no principles or morals, we aren't fans we are consumers, footy is now an entertainment business and the operators of that business (AFL) can not afford to have long periods of a single dominant side as it damages the brand and costs money, the game I grew up with is gone and will never come back, my beloved football club will never be the overwhelming dominating force that it was, all I want is it to be competetive,

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Apart from the ones getting a leg-up, there are fifteen other clubs in the same predicament and there are still clubs who you would say are a bit above competitive. I think chyna is being a bit disingenuous saying what he is saying and then rather bluntly trying to distance himself from the Synbads of this world. It's like he has said his piece but does not want to own it. Having said that, the two extremes belong together. If you say that you're a dominant side, you will start to believe it and fail to become proactive. Likewise; if you say that you only want to be competitive then you will take that on too and accept mediocrity while others succeed.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Hang on a bit.

I take FULL ownership over my comments. Why wouldn't I??? I made them.
Perhaps you are trying to read a bit too much into what my comments are all about.
Fair dinkum. It's not rocket surgery.

My ORIGINAL post was basically pointing out that we are not and have not been the Carlton that supposedly oozed 'arrogance' and had a distinctive Carlton 'strut' for a very very long time, and that the sooner people realised this - including supporters, and administrators, the better off we would be.
But seriously, please don't go around putting words into my mouth because it does yourself an injustice.


Likening me to the Synbad's of the world is an out and out insult. He was an obnoxious airhead who liked to think that he had his finger on the pulse of the inner workings of the club and had to use live his pathetic life out vicariously by big-noting himself in an internet forum.

I have never bagged the club. I have only ever bagged one of the people who was mainly responsible for the myre we have been for so long and that was Brendan Fevola. I don't pretend to know what is going on in the inner sanctum. But I have eyes, ears and dare I say it, quite a deep insight into what is happening in footy at the moment.

So read what you want into my rants, but please don't put words into my mouth or thoughts into my head. To say that I am 'disingenuous' is a disgrace. Please try to point out what you mean because I am well considered and reasonably articulate poster and this comment baffles me. Where in my writings am I being disingenous?

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